POLL - Which Mouthpiece Brand do you primarily use?

BrianJohnston · 2021-01-08 12:09 p.m.

You can vote for many options.

Vote for past, or present mouthpieces & feel free to comment extra info if you'd like...

Kbiggs · by **Kbiggs** » 2021-01-08 12:20 p.m.

I assume you’re asking about current use, not which brand or brands I’ve used in the past?

Peacemate · by **Peacemate** » 2021-01-08 12:46 p.m.

I recently bought two GEWA mouthpieces for like $30 each NEW from Thomann. 1 1/2 G and 4G, and while I can't speak for the dimensional accuracy, their finish is decent. Bought a Thomann 12C large shank too for stupidities sake. Same thing with that.

Will say though that the Thomann is laser engraved or similar, while the GEWA seems to be stamped.

Conn100HGuy · by **Conn100HGuy** » 2021-01-08 2:25 p.m.

Please add Wedge to give Dr. Dave some visibility

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2021-01-08 4:24 p.m.

I use Warburton (not on the poll) and Hammond primarily on all low brass besides euph. Lots of other brands represented on the other instruments I play. (Denis Wick, Josef Klier, Schilke, Michael Brand, etc.)

marccromme · by **marccromme** » 2021-01-08 4:29 p.m.

Best Brass must be twice as good as the others, 'cause it's two times in the list ...

BrianJohnston · by **BrianJohnston** » 2021-01-08 6:14 p.m.

All of the above have been noted.

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2021-01-08 6:28 p.m.

Oh boy.

BrianJohnston · by **BrianJohnston** » 2021-01-08 6:43 p.m.

[quote="Burgerbob"]Oh boy.

[/quote]

And I have a feeling that's not even all of em!

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2021-01-08 6:50 p.m.

And I have a feeling that's not even all of em!

maybe 25 more? I wish I knew!

Kingfan · by **Kingfan** » 2021-01-08 10:21 p.m.

[quote="BrianJohnston"]<QUOTE author="Burgerbob" post_id="136623" time="1610148481" user_id="3131">
Oh boy.
[/quote]

And I have a feeling that's not even all of em!
</QUOTE>
Hoarding is a disease. Let me help you. Send as many as you can to me. :pant: No need to thank me. :D

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2021-01-09 6:43 a.m.

I voted, but what is the reason for this poll?

PhilTrombone · by **PhilTrombone** » 2021-01-09 10:43 a.m.

Warburton's. Please add that to your picklist!

BrianJohnston · by **BrianJohnston** » 2021-01-09 4:00 p.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]I voted, but what is the reason for this poll?[/quote]

Curiosity/further learning for myself & others.

heinzgries · by **heinzgries** » 2021-01-09 4:26 p.m.

german maker, Klier, Tilz, Schmidt

Kevbach33 · by **Kevbach33** » 2021-01-10 8:29 p.m.

Bach for tenor, Schilke for bass.

sirisobhakya · by **sirisobhakya** » 2021-01-10 9:07 p.m.

[quote="Peacemate"]I recently bought two GEWA mouthpieces for like $30 each NEW from Thomann. 1 1/2 G and 4G, and while I can't speak for the dimensional accuracy, their finish is decent. Bought a Thomann 12C large shank too for stupidities sake. Same thing with that.

Will say though that the Thomann is laser engraved or similar, while the GEWA seems to be stamped.[/quote]

I also bought Gewa 7C to use with Thomann alto trombone. I agree that the finish is decent, especially for one with half the price of standard brand.

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2021-01-10 10:52 p.m.

I'm not sure what's going on, but I put in a vote for Ultimate Brass a few days ago, and there were a few other votes there. Today, there were no votes, and it looked like there were a few other brands that had been wiped out too. I just added my vote to Ultimate again.

Jim Scott

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2021-01-10 10:56 p.m.

[quote="CalgaryTbone"]I'm not sure what's going on, but I put in a vote for Ultimate Brass a few days ago, and there were a few other votes there. Today, there were no votes, and it looked like there were a few other brands that had been wiped out too. I just added my vote to Ultimate again.

Jim Scott[/quote]

It's possible that we had to recover the Forum from an earlier backup. I had to re-authorize several posts that I thought I had approved before. Matt K or Neo Bri would probably know for sure.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2021-01-11 4:24 a.m.

Same. I re voted

ChadA · by **ChadA** » 2021-01-11 10:35 a.m.

I hope people will look at these results like they do any poll: it's a snapshot of a particular set of people (forum members who bothered to respond, in this case, twice) at a point in time. It can't represent trombone players as a whole or even in large groups.

At the time I posted this (and before the poll was reset), the two top vote-getting brands are brands I can't recall seeing anyone use in a gig in at least 15 years. But my frame of reference is as a professional player in central and SW Ohio who plays mainly classical music, plus some touring Broadway shows when they come through town, and very occasional big band gigs. People who play in different locales and different scenarios will have different experiences and will relate to the poll results differently.

By the way, I'm not saying those brands are bad in any way; they're not. It just means that the poll results aren't reflective of my own experience and I would never expect them to be that unless the only respondents were the kind of folks I run into on the job. As with any poll, people should read the results with both interest/curiosity and with the knowledge of what the results may (or may not) mean to them.

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2021-01-11 11:25 a.m.

I use primarily DE for tenors, but for bass cycle between Bach, Ferguson (Horn Guys) and a Schilke, while for euph I use a Bach. On Tuba I use Kelly or Wick.

Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2021-01-11 12:52 p.m.

For small tenors, I've lately been preferring Marcinkiewicz. They make good mouthpieces. :good:

But the Conn 3 is a great match to a Conn 0.500" bore tenor.

For large tenor (88H with "Conn taper"), my go-to was always a Schilke 51. But now that I have another large-bore tenor, I've been doing some experimenting. No clear favorite yet. (Why stop the fun of trying something new? It's not like I'm putting a playing job at risk during this pandemic shutdown!)

For my Conn 71H bass I really prefer something that properly fits the Conn taper. That's a Connstellation 3B. But I'm now also trying a Conn-tapered Schilke 58, and I recently acquired a Doug Elliott set that fits.

Finally, I'm toying with using the Doug Elliott system more widely - but that can be expensive, so I probably shouldn't dive too deeply without first consulting directly with Doug.

FeelMyRath · by **FeelMyRath** » 2021-01-11 6:25 p.m.

Yamaha for small bore

Rath for large bore and euphonium

Wick for bass

I'm a conundrum :???:

mrdeacon · by **mrdeacon** » 2021-01-11 11:55 p.m.

Doug Elliott and Symington

Elow · by **Elow** » 2021-01-12 3:14 a.m.

Yeah symington isnt up there

Savio · by **Savio** » 2021-01-12 3:52 a.m.

So many brands out there. In my time there was Schilke and Bach, then the Denis wick and some few others come along. I can understand many have the drawer full of mouthpieces. Will take at least a lifetime to try all! The new thing is different materials? I believe the old way to find one and stay with it is out today? <span class="emoji" title=":wink:">😉</span>

Leif

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2021-01-12 5:57 a.m.

I'll have probably 150 mouthpiece. The most common mouthpiece I have is the Bach 6 1/2AL. Once I tried all of them, about 10, and found them to be very different. The most common bass trombone mouthpiece I own is the Bach 1 1/2, guess I have about 5 of them. I have a lot of junk too, and several mouthpieces I have never tried.

/Tom

PhilTrombone · by **PhilTrombone** » 2021-01-12 9:18 a.m.

I'll have probably 150 mouthpiece.

You should open a Mouthpiece museum! :biggrin:

WilliamLang · by **WilliamLang** » 2021-01-12 9:50 a.m.

post high school - started on a Greg Black, moved to Shires mouthpieces for about a decade, then briefly on a couple of Greigos and finally settled (for now) on a Laskey. tried a lot of others in Covid times, but those were the ones that got me closer to my goals.

heinzgries · by **heinzgries** » 2021-01-12 5:43 p.m.

[quote="PhilTrombone"]<QUOTE>I'll have probably 150 mouthpiece.[/quote]

You should open a Mouthpiece museum! :biggrin:
</QUOTE>
I have 173 :pant:

Davidx504 · by **Davidx504** » 2021-01-14 5:48 p.m.

Was searching high and low. The Bach 11 was too deep. The Yamaha 47 a little too wide. The Yamaha46c2 a little too shallow. Storm t2 custom. Omg I fell in love at first play. Very balanced with my Holton galaxy set up.

pedrombon · by **pedrombon** » 2021-01-14 8:57 p.m.

[quote="heinzgries"]<QUOTE author="PhilTrombone" post_id="137020" time="1610461084" user_id="3923">

You should open a Mouthpiece museum! :biggrin:[/quote]
I have 173 :pant:
</QUOTE>

Right now I own 35 mouthpieces, but I have a list with 137 that I've sold/traded...

Crazy4Tbone86 · by **Crazy4Tbone86** » 2021-01-14 9:54 p.m.

OK, I think I might have a problem. Anybody know the phone number for Hoarders Anonymous?

This was all I could fit on top of my washer/dryer for a photo. I have another five briefcases full of them, so my collection is right around 200 mouthpieces. I have some "classic" brands that I have not seen listed yet: Lorenzo Sansone, Zottola and Rudy Muck. I don't use those brands but I'm sure there are people out there that do.

I have no particular preferred brand, but I do love the flexibility of Doug Elliott's modular design.

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Crazy4Tbone86 · by **Crazy4Tbone86** » 2021-01-14 10:03 p.m.

[quote="imsevimse"]I'll have probably 150 mouthpiece. The most common mouthpiece I have is the Bach 6 1/2AL. Once I tried all of them, about 10, and found them to be very different. The most common bass trombone mouthpiece I own is the Bach 1 1/2, guess I have about 5 of them. I have a lot of junk too, and several mouthpieces I have never tried.

/Tom[/quote]

Yes, I have found the same thing. I have 9 or 10 of the 6 1/2 AL mouthpieces and every single one of them plays differently. Same thing with the 1 1/2 G bass mouthpieces.....I find even greater differences in those.

Davidx504 · by **Davidx504** » 2021-01-15 9:36 a.m.

Wow nobody uses monette?? Unbelievable!!

BrianJohnston · by **BrianJohnston** » 2021-01-16 5:35 p.m.

[quote="Davidx504"]Wow nobody uses monette?? Unbelievable!![/quote]

Expensive!

Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2021-01-16 6:02 p.m.

[quote="BrianJohnston"]<QUOTE author="Davidx504" post_id="137272" time="1610721406" user_id="3767">
Wow nobody uses monette?? Unbelievable!![/quote]

Expensive!
</QUOTE>

Well, at least the prices are still (barely) less than 4 digits:

<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.ebay.com/itm/difficult-to-o ... _cvip=true">https://www.ebay.com/itm/difficult-to-obtain-Unused-Monette-Resonance-trombone-mouthpiece-/184404326342?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l10137.c10&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true</LINK_TEXT>

Kingfan · by **Kingfan** » 2021-01-16 6:17 p.m.

[quote="Posaunus"]<QUOTE author="BrianJohnston" post_id="137388" time="1610836519" user_id="9667">

Expensive![/quote]

Well, at least the prices are still (barely) less than 4 digits:

<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.ebay.com/itm/difficult-to-o ... _cvip=true">https://www.ebay.com/itm/difficult-to-obtain-Unused-Monette-Resonance-trombone-mouthpiece-/184404326342?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l10137.c10&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true</LINK_TEXT>
</QUOTE>

Lot cheaper (relatively) at $340 directly from Monette. https://www.monette.net/trombone-mouthpieces

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2021-01-16 7:06 p.m.

Lol, monette.

"Blend with no one!"

Davidx504 · by **Davidx504** » 2021-01-16 8:04 p.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]Lol, monette.

"Blend with no one!"[/quote]

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harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2021-01-16 8:18 p.m.

FWIW, Bob Reeves is conspicuously missing from this list.

They do really excellent custom work. I don't use their designs, but they have worked on my stuff and I couldn't recommend them enough!

Davidx504 · by **Davidx504** » 2021-01-17 2:04 a.m.

[quote="BrianJohnston"]<QUOTE author="Davidx504" post_id="137272" time="1610721406" user_id="3767">
Wow nobody uses monette?? Unbelievable!![/quote]

Expensive!
</QUOTE>

Yeah but GrIeco has some pretty expensive pieces too. Somehow they managed to get 4 on the board. But a whopping zero?? That's crazy.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2021-01-17 2:08 a.m.

[quote="Davidx504"]<QUOTE author="BrianJohnston" post_id="137388" time="1610836519" user_id="9667">

Expensive![/quote]

Yeah but GrIeco has some pretty expensive pieces too. Somehow they managed to get 4 on the board. But a whopping zero?? That's crazy.
</QUOTE>

What do you think we are? Trumpet players? :tongue: :tongue:

LIBrassCo · by **LIBrassCo** » 2021-01-17 7:26 a.m.

I use the B11MVL in my line, 29.5mm ID, wide rim, and .312 bore.

Davidx504 · by **Davidx504** » 2021-01-18 2:01 a.m.

[quote="LIBrassCo"]I use the B11MVL in my line, 29.5mm ID, wide rim, and .312 bore.[/quote]

The gold plating is beautiful.

LIBrassCo · by **LIBrassCo** » 2021-01-18 5:15 a.m.

[quote="Davidx504"]<QUOTE author="LIBrassCo" post_id="137453" time="1610886365" user_id="4931">
I use the B11MVL in my line, 29.5mm ID, wide rim, and .312 bore.[/quote]

The gold plating is beautiful.
</QUOTE>

Thanks, but that's actually raw brass right before I send it out to the plater.

Nobbi · by **Nobbi** » 2021-01-19 4:50 a.m.

Before I vote .... I am missing King!

Please add.

Splendour · by **Splendour** » 2021-01-19 9:25 a.m.

I have voted for the mouthpieces I use most often at the moment, but that is largely dependent on what instrument and what music I'm playing. Every trombone I own has at least one mouthpiece with it that works for me with it, and I own far more trombones then seems sensible...

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2021-01-22 10:03 p.m.

I'm enjoying my Ultimate Brass mouthpieces that I've been playing for the last several months. I'm very impressed with Sun's work. In the last week or so, I just received a custom alto mouthpiece where I asked him to make a piece with my tenor rim on the cup of one of his alto mouthpieces. Great mouthpiece! The pitch seems easier than on a lot of other alto mouthpieces that I've played, and more comfortable for me now with a larger rim size. I recommend these great mouthpieces!

Jim Scott

Goofy · by **Goofy** » 2021-01-23 10:42 a.m.

Stork

Johnstad · by **Johnstad** » 2021-01-23 2:50 p.m.

I recently switched back to Doug Elliot. Same rim for my bass and tenor and a fantastic Contra mouthpiece.

Slidennis · 2021-03-15 10:21 a.m.

I played a Stomvi Combi System 7B for years with my King 4BF...

Nowadays, more on Doug Elliott's, Bach's, and a Stork T2 wich is a great match to a Olds Super, playing loud in street parades...

The Yamaha Landgren is really nice too...

I tend to favor rounder rims... so YMMV...

Slidennis · by **Slidennis** » 2021-03-15 10:43 a.m.

Still other brands I came accross :

Benge ;

CKB (ConnKingBenge) ;

Jet-Tone ;

Titanovation ;

Ferguson...

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2021-03-15 5:57 p.m.

[quote="PhilTrombone"]<QUOTE>I'll have probably 150 mouthpiece.[/quote]

You should open a Mouthpiece museum! :biggrin:
</QUOTE>

If I start a shop and run it for 50 years I will still have a lot of items in stick.

/Tom

walldaja · by **walldaja** » 2021-04-19 8:16 a.m.

Christian Lindberg!

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2021-04-19 9:23 a.m.

MST STUDIO on all my American tenors, all altos and basses (and euphonium).

Klier (model Gösling) on my German tenors...

Jimprindle · by **Jimprindle** » 2021-04-19 10:09 a.m.

Bass trombone: Ferguson LS, Minick L. Tenor: Bach 4G with tenor shank.

BobbyH881 · by **BobbyH881** » 2021-08-10 2:20 p.m.

Hello, I'm new here. I'm returning to trombone after a long hiatus. Presently liking a Giddings Sonny Ausman (stainlesssteel). Have a DW 5BL, a Hammond 12M and a Yamaha 51C4L and a Bach 1-1/2 to buzz on because I'm thinking of switching to or adding bass. I had a Schilke 47, 51, Bach 6-1/2A & AL, 5G and traded them in. I'm enjoying the forum, however, I'm learning that trombonists are like guitar players <EMOJI seq="1f604" tseq="1f604">😄</EMOJI>. So much equipment and so many choices <EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI>.

bigbandbone · by **bigbandbone** » 2021-08-10 6:52 p.m.

I only have one bass bone. Conn 72H.

I find myself using a Marcinkowitz 1 1/2G for big band work. And a Denis Wick Heratige Edition 1AL for symphony and community band application.

Two very different sounds.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2021-08-10 8:11 p.m.

I've switched this year to DE on everything except large tenor, and on that I use mostly a Bob Reeves one off, but I do like the DE SYM series G/G8 combo a lot. Changed my vote

btone · 2021-08-15 12:07 p.m.

I would like to thank Brian Hinckley above for making me feel less guilty about my mouthpiece collection. :good: I also want to concur with those who were discussing having several 6 1/2 AL's and 1 1/2G's that each play or sound a bit different..

btone · by **btone** » 2021-08-15 12:27 p.m.

I think part of the fun of having multiple same-size mouthpieces that are like separate individuals is being able to find one sometimes that can optimize a horn.. Out of a group of old 1 1/2G's one may work better with one horn and another may like a different one. Sometimes you can go through a half a dozen with a horn and one or two will be clearly better than the rest in how they work with that instrument, but still sound different from each other.

Arvopart17 · by **Arvopart17** » 2021-08-15 5:49 p.m.

Marcinkiewicz ET4 Ulyate - finally found the perfect piece for my 3b! DE for my large bores.

Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2021-08-15 6:22 p.m.

[quote="Arvopart17"]Marcinkiewicz ET4 Ulyate - finally found the perfect piece for my 3b![/quote]

Great combination! :good:

TijnBone · by **TijnBone** » 2024-06-08 8:34 a.m.

I primarily use a Bach 1 1/4 GM or a Yamaha Doug Yeo Signature on my Bass trombone.

On my large bore tenor I use a GEWA 4G, cheap but perfect.

On my small tenor I use a Kühnl & Hoyer Bart van Lier 8E.

I still have some others, but I sold most of them as I don't like to keep things I will never use.

flotrb · by **flotrb** » 2024-06-08 9:17 a.m.

In 1965 I went to Burt Herrick's shop/garage in Burbank CA with my Holton 169. I explained to Burt what was lacking on the 1958 Bach Mt. Vernon 1½G I was currently playing, and he said that he had something in mind that had worked for "another bass trombonist" that was a friend of his...he called it a "modified V" or "constant taper cup".*

He pulled out a cylinder of brass, which he placed on the lathe, and I watched the complete birth of my first custom-made mouthpiece . After several fittings, playings and adjustments that afternoon ...Voila!

He said: "What would you like to name it?", and stamped my initials on the cup. I ask him what size it would be and he said: "Let's see, according to Bach...1½G...1G...0G...00G!"

So, I am the proud owner of an original 1965 Burt Herrick "double-ought" bass trombone mouthpiece, custom fit for a 1962 Holton 169 Bb/F bass trombone!

cb56 · by **cb56** » 2024-06-08 11:27 a.m.

Might want to add Olds to the list and Benge

claf · by **claf** » 2024-06-08 1:04 p.m.

Symington 1-1/2G on bass (every time I try anything else, I come back to it)

MST Studio N and Marcinkiewicz 9B (Bob Stroup) on small tenor

Currently experimenting with various flavors of 5G on large tenor (Rath L5MD, Laskey 57MD, Marcinkiewicz ET1)

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2024-06-08 4:51 p.m.

Here's my final lineup, all my designs made by Doug McVey, with just the bass piece made by Jim New:

(All pieces feature an identical 1.055" ID rim that is narrow and pretty round, except the bass piece which is the same shape but 1.065" ID)

L2 - Large bore 6.5 style cup, just a hair deeper. .307" throat, tight backbore. Heavy blank. Perfect for all around playing, especially when maximum dynamics are needed.

L1 - Large bore 6.5 style cup, .265" throat and open / linear backbore. Perfect for very long concerts, particularly lighter playing like wind band or marches.

O2 - Large bore medium cup. Shallower than a G style cup. .282" throat, open backbore. For orchestral/section playing.

A2 - Alto trombone mouthpiece with shallow cup and large "V" entrance to the throat. Feels like you're playing tenor, sounds like you're playing alto. Being able to throw air to get the altissimo notes helps endurance. Perfect for day to day work on alto, romantic works, and playing with a modern section.

A1 - Alto trombone mouthpiece with shallow cup and normal shoulder into a tight alto throat. Perfect for classical repertoire.

S1 - Shallow small tenor mouthpiece with large throat and open backbore. Also works on alto for aggressive modern solos or stolen rep. Very bright and punchy sound on my 3B, but very dark on alto.

B1 - Jim New made this one, a very deep mouthpiece with a .312" throat. Made in a "Lindberg" blank design I did in Fusion 360. Believe it or not, the Lindberg blank is perfect for playing bass in big band and a BQ. The 1.065" ID makes it easy for me to switch between even my alto and the bass. I use it to cover tuba parts in the BQ and it has a very deep but compact sound. I love it. I have a version that is identical on the inside but in a heavy blank called the B2. Projects better in large ensembles and large spaces, but the B1 has that special something -- I always reach for the B1.

stewbones43 · by **stewbones43** » 2024-06-08 6:24 p.m.

Please add Henri Selmer, Paris to the list. I have 2 that I use a lot.

Cheers

Stewbones43

jonathanharker · by **jonathanharker** » 2024-06-18 5:08 p.m.

Ferguson (LS, Jeff Reynolds, 2A for contra/cimbasso), Minick (L, V), Sellmansberger (cimbasso)

trombonedemon · by **trombonedemon** » 2024-06-21 3:40 p.m.

Mine is in my signature.

musicofnote · 2024-06-24 2:18 p.m.

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Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2024-06-24 3:40 p.m.

[quote="musicofnote"]Approximately 2% of the people here use a Wedge mouthpiece. But what is a Wedge mouthpiece, how does it work - from the horses mouth, Dr. Dave Harrison, a trumpet playing M.D. His anatomical explanations are very interesting.[/quote]

I just spent some time on the Wedge Website (and I'll spend more). Fascinating story. I've tried a few Wedge mouthpieces, and Wedge Rims on Doug Elliott Cups. They work well - but mine are not the latest Wedge designs.

There are some wonderful comparisons here of the cup profiles of Wedge and competitive mouthpieces (Bach, Schilke, Yamaha, Wick), apparently based on very accurate laser scanning. Check them out. These profiles answer a lot of questions that continually arise on TromboneChat.

https://wedgemouthpiece.com/all-trombone-mouthpieces

musicofnote · by **musicofnote** » 2024-06-24 3:51 p.m.

[quote="Posaunus"]<QUOTE author="musicofnote" post_id="246161" time="1719253137" user_id="15257">
Approximately 2% of the people here use a Wedge mouthpiece. But what is a Wedge mouthpiece, how does it work - from the horses mouth, Dr. Dave Harrison, a trumpet playing M.D. His anatomical explanations are very interesting.[/quote]

I just spent some time on the Wedge Website (and I'll spend more). Fascinating story. I've tried a few Wedge mouthpieces, and Wedge Rims on Doug Elliott Cups. They work well - but mine are not the latest Wedge designs.

There are some wonderful comparisons here of the cup profiles of Wedge and competitive mouthpieces (Bach, Schilke, Yamaha, Wick), apparently based on very accurate laser scanning. Check them out. These profiles answer a lot of questions that continually arise on TromboneChat.

https://wedgemouthpiece.com/all-trombone-mouthpieces
</QUOTE>

Yes, I find those scans more useful than the "measurements". As to the latest designs. The hybrid mouthpieces are really special. Dr. Dave made up a custom 109G for me that worked well with my "old" Yamaha 822G. But I'm finding now two things with the new Shires:

1) my face likes now larger mouthpieces with the new horn than with the old.

2) as much as I wanted to like the Markey pieces, they neither sound better when recorded, nor feel as good on the face as the Wedges. They sound marginally better on my side of the horn, but when I hear a recording of me playing them compared to Wedges, they are not better.

And I feel the "effort" needed to work the Markeys sooner, than I do playing similarly sized Wedges. I'm not ready to sell them just yet, but did work an exchange with Dr. Dave. exchanging a 108G Gen 2 .280" Wedge for a Hybrid S59. I bought the 108G 2 years ago so I'll get 80% of the purchase price of the 108 towards the new Hybrid. Show me another maker who offers that kind of deal. Also new is, that he's now offering Wedges without the "Wedge", meaning with a normal rim/cup form. I honestly don't know what the attraction would be compared to the myriad other mouthpieces out there, but his reason was, that he'd gotten numerous requests for "normal" mouthpieces.

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