Rotary valve trombones

Arthurtwoshedsjackson · by **Arthurtwoshedsjackson** » 2021-02-22 4:50 p.m.

My sliding days are over due to physical limitations and I make do with a rotary valve cornet, which is fun enough.

Can anyone provide a review of a recent model 3 or 4 rotary valve tenor trombone? I see that current manufacturers include Miraphone, K&H and Cerveny.

I’m play alone for fun 99% of the time and don’t need to worry about blending with other instruments, except possibly the occasional piano. A bass trumpet would be too front-heavy to hold comfortably, especially with a mute.

Thanks.

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2021-02-22 5:14 p.m.

Not directly answering your question, but...

Assuming that the mentioned physical limitations are not only fast movement of the right arm, but also e.g. shoulder issues holding the trombone, have you considered a baritone or euphonium?

They can be relatively easy to hold when sitting or using a stand.

A euphonium may have more use when playing with others, but this obviously depends on the settings you may be playing on.

Arthurtwoshedsjackson · by **Arthurtwoshedsjackson** » 2021-02-22 5:21 p.m.

I have shoulder issues as well as hearing damage (hyperacusis & tinnitus; right ear is much worse), which I attribute to many years of playing bell-up euphonium. Ear plugs, even audiologist-fitted, no longer help and may have made things worse. I’ve tried all sorts of horn-practice mute combinations and the rotary cornet is the best solution so far as it’s easy to hold and sounds decent muted. I do miss the tenor trombone range, so I’m exploring other/additional options.

Any rotary valve trombone would be very expensive, so I’m not sure it would be cost effective in the end. It might, however, be cool enough to justify. :shuffle:

Thanks!

LIBrassCo · 2021-02-22 6:38 p.m.

Heres an idea for you. A friend of mine had a set of euph valves built by Robb Stewart to attach to a trombone bell section. Sounds fantastic, and no slide. In his case its made for a bass bell section.

Arthurtwoshedsjackson · by **Arthurtwoshedsjackson** » 2021-02-22 6:53 p.m.

I’ve actually thought about having something custom built that’s sits in the floor with a height adjustment and the bell as far away as possible.

Perhaps a tenor cimbasso. Or a tenorenophone(!).

Thanks!

Goten56 · by **Goten56** » 2021-02-23 3:06 a.m.

<LINK_TEXT text="http://www.vfcerveny.cz/en/rotary-valve ... asso-style">http://www.vfcerveny.cz/en/rotary-valve/trombones/item/254-cvt-576-5ic-cimbasso-style</LINK_TEXT>

I think this can be OK for you. But it won't be cheap.

djkennedy · by **djkennedy** » 2021-03-05 5:03 p.m.

Germany made rotary v trombones are

Interesting

More towards French Horn

Valve section is quite heavy

So some type of floor stand or support

Would be nice

I used mine in concert band

They aren’t blasting horns

Big thin bells euro shank

Mpc

marccromme · by **marccromme** » 2021-03-05 6:21 p.m.

[quote="Goten56"]<LINK_TEXT text="http://www.vfcerveny.cz/en/rotary-valve ... asso-style">http://www.vfcerveny.cz/en/rotary-valve/trombones/item/254-cvt-576-5ic-cimbasso-style</LINK_TEXT>

I think this can be OK for you. But it won't be cheap.[/quote]

And make sure to get the 5 valve version. From experience with my 5 valve Eb tuba against my 4 valve Eb tuba, I assure you you will need less lipping up and down, less pulling slides, which is more convenient on a tuba than on a cimbasso, and more and easier valve combinations, as you can substitute 24 with 235 as a better in tune combination. Plus a perfect in tune 54 for the low range. It is really worth the extra cost.

Lornix · by **Lornix** » 2021-03-05 6:39 p.m.

If you are really looking for tenor cimbasso and have money for a high-end custom instrument - you might want to check out the work of Michael Johnson at http://m-j-c.co.uk/instruments/index.html. I have no personal experience with these instruments - but he does appear to offer cimbasso in "High Bb" - so same range as tenor trombone.

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2021-03-06 4:49 p.m.

Jürgen Voigt makes ~~[url=https://shop.voigt-brass.de/en/MASTER-INSTRUMENTS/TROMBONES/VALVE-TROMBONES/]~~a few models of rotary valve trombone, including ~~[url=https://shop.voigt-brass.de/en/MASTER-INSTRUMENTS/TROMBONES/VALVE-TROMBONES/Bb-Valve-Trombone-J-24-CL.html]~~a cimbasso-shaped one in tenor B flat.

Arthurtwoshedsjackson · by **Arthurtwoshedsjackson** » 2021-03-06 7:20 p.m.

The Voigt looks pretty cool, but the bell and leadpipe angles seem weird, assuming it’s intended to be played with the bottom crook resting on the floor. :idk:

MrHCinDE · by **MrHCinDE** » 2021-03-07 5:30 a.m.

I saw some mentions of Cerveny instruments above.

I thought I‘d read somewhere that the parent company (Amati) was going through an insolvency process. As I recall, some (maybe all? I don’t know) Cerveny designs may be continued under the Lidl name.

I‘ll try and dig out the link, it was on a German-speaking music forum.

Some users had posted that there are some good deals to be had on the old stock of Cerveny, and that the ‚new‘ Lidl-branded ones may be more expensive.

So basically, if my sources are correct, now may be a good time to buy if you‘re keen on Cerveny.

Goten56 · by **Goten56** » 2021-03-07 12:12 p.m.

The insolvency process was a hoax. Amati and Cerveny still produce instruments. Watch their websites.

MrHCinDE · by **MrHCinDE** » 2021-03-07 1:02 p.m.

[quote="Goten56"]The insolvency process was a hoax. Amati and Cerveny still produce instruments. Watch their websites.[/quote]

Thanks for sharing that! I was fooled by this hoax then.

Not sure why someone would have come up with it, answers on a postcard please. About the only thing it could achieve is to drive some short-term sales and annoy some customers once they realize it was a hoax?

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