Bass Trombone - Dream Horn
- dukesboneman
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Hey everyone.
What would be your "Dream" Bass trombone?
Mine would be a King Duo Gravis Silver Sonic with the triggers split.
What would be your "Dream" Bass trombone?
Mine would be a King Duo Gravis Silver Sonic with the triggers split.
- EOlson9
- Posts: 130
- Joined: Apr 19, 2018
Mine would be one of two things...1 of which I'm halfway to achieving. My current Gen 2 62H has had a Butler slide put on it and I'm going to be getting a Butler bell put on it. The other would be also like you, a Duo Gravis with triggers split. I wouldn't go for silversonic myself but I get it.
- Thrawn22
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- Joined: Sep 06, 2018
I dunno. An old 70H would be nice. It was an Elkhart 62H but I'm already getting that. So i guess a 70H and a 73H to round out my Conn basses.
- Finetales
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- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
Based on everything I've played, my 72H with independent rotors is my favorite. But I would really love to have the Shires I had built for me at an ITF one year for orchestral playing.
- Bach5G
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I think I’d be pretty happy if the Benge 290 I recently sent to Partch in Toronto came back in really nice shape for a 30 year old horn.
- Kevbach33
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My original dream horn was going to be a Shires with these specs...
–B62L slide, possibly B62LNYC (longer than normal)
–independent rotors
–BDCS tuning slide (seamed Deutsch brass, C taper)
–BI 2GMT7 bell (Conn style in gold (really rose) brass)
But now that I know that M&W will build a bass with the smaller 7xH taper, the dream horn has shifted to that with independent rotors.
The real question is if it will have the classic 7xH proportions or modern proportions. I'd like the former for the long slide.
–B62L slide, possibly B62LNYC (longer than normal)
–independent rotors
–BDCS tuning slide (seamed Deutsch brass, C taper)
–BI 2GMT7 bell (Conn style in gold (really rose) brass)
But now that I know that M&W will build a bass with the smaller 7xH taper, the dream horn has shifted to that with independent rotors.
The real question is if it will have the classic 7xH proportions or modern proportions. I'd like the former for the long slide.
- Finetales
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- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
[quote="Kevbach33"]But now that I know that M&W will build a bass with the smaller 7xH taper, the dream horn has shifted to that with independent rotors.
The real question is if it will have the classic 7xH proportions or modern proportions. I'd like the former for the long slide.[/quote]
I didn't know that. I would be extremely interested if they did it with the long slide, but even with modern proportions I'd love to try one.
The real question is if it will have the classic 7xH proportions or modern proportions. I'd like the former for the long slide.[/quote]
I didn't know that. I would be extremely interested if they did it with the long slide, but even with modern proportions I'd love to try one.
- BGuttman
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I'm not sophisticated enough to know the differences. My King 7B is dream enough for me.
- fwbassbone
- Posts: 131
- Joined: Apr 07, 2018
I would have to say the Greenhoe GB5-3G that is my main horn now.
- octavposaune
- Posts: 160
- Joined: Jul 04, 2018
I think I am very lucky to have most of what I could call dream horns for what I do with my playing. However I do have a dream Contra. Lätzch SL610
- deanmccarty
- Posts: 224
- Joined: May 01, 2018
I have played on a lot of horns over the years... The bass I play now is the best bass trombone I’ve ever played.
- hyperbolica
- Posts: 3990
- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
I gotta say I'm with Bruce on this one. I haven't played enough basses that I've liked to really pick a dream horn. I've spent a deal of time and lucre in search of a bass bone that is really just a trombone that plays low notes. It would be light, small, and versatile. Most of the new horns I've played drive like F-250 4wd pickup, and I'd be looking for a Subaru Outback. I did play a Bach 50b3 that I liked, once. I've played several tweener horns that I wouldn't mind if they were equipped to play bass (which to me means a second valve - but that could be a plugin valve).
Most "bass trombone" parts are really just 3rd or 4th bone parts, and most, truth be told, could be played on any tenor with a trigger. Not many of them are really tuba parts. You spend a lot of time on the staff.
If I had to piece one together today, I'd get something like a Holton tr159 with a removable plugin valve. 547/562 wide slide. Large taper bell, 9" dia. Appropriate (removable) leadpipe. 2 mouthpieces, something 1 1/4G size (for bass playing), and one about 3g size (for 3rd/4th parts or higher). It might have a single valve section and a double valve section instead of the plugin. Bb/f/d tuning.
Most "bass trombone" parts are really just 3rd or 4th bone parts, and most, truth be told, could be played on any tenor with a trigger. Not many of them are really tuba parts. You spend a lot of time on the staff.
If I had to piece one together today, I'd get something like a Holton tr159 with a removable plugin valve. 547/562 wide slide. Large taper bell, 9" dia. Appropriate (removable) leadpipe. 2 mouthpieces, something 1 1/4G size (for bass playing), and one about 3g size (for 3rd/4th parts or higher). It might have a single valve section and a double valve section instead of the plugin. Bb/f/d tuning.
- goldendomer04
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Aug 25, 2018
I just finished piecing together my dream bass trombone this week:
Bell Section: Vintage Elkhart Conn 60/62h Bell mounted to Shires Dependent Rotors by M&W
TS: Shires B in Yellow Brass
Slide: Shires B62YC
Leadpipe: Sterling M/K GR
I wish I had this setup 20 years ago.... :)
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Bell Section: Vintage Elkhart Conn 60/62h Bell mounted to Shires Dependent Rotors by M&W
TS: Shires B in Yellow Brass
Slide: Shires B62YC
Leadpipe: Sterling M/K GR
I wish I had this setup 20 years ago.... :)
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- LeoInFL
- Posts: 252
- Joined: Apr 19, 2018
A featherweight bass: Butler bell & slide, Latzsch carbon fiber independent valves. carbon fiber attachment tubing.
- Kingfan
- Posts: 1371
- Joined: Apr 11, 2018
[quote="BGuttman"]I'm not sophisticated enough to know the differences. My King 7B is dream enough for me.[/quote]
Bruce is on point. Love my 7B now that I put an Axe Handle on it to fix the ergonomic issues. Even better would be a unicorn of a horn, a Mono Gravis. Think Duo Gravis with one valve.
Bruce is on point. Love my 7B now that I put an Axe Handle on it to fix the ergonomic issues. Even better would be a unicorn of a horn, a Mono Gravis. Think Duo Gravis with one valve.
- hornbuilder
- Posts: 1384
- Joined: May 02, 2018
Kevbach33,
A bass could be built with either long slide/short bell (ala Conn 7xH) or, shorter slide/longer bell (as is more commonly made) Customer choice.
A bass could be built with either long slide/short bell (ala Conn 7xH) or, shorter slide/longer bell (as is more commonly made) Customer choice.
- mrdeacon
- Posts: 1225
- Joined: May 08, 2018
Honestly I think I have both of mine!
Brasslab modified 1965 Holton 169 I purchased from Chris Stearn. Indy Bach valves with Chuck wrap. Early TR180 slide. This one has some magic in it.
And my other Holton. 1966 Holton 169/185 with Birds nest valve lightly mofied by Jack Schatz. D slide for the second valve, split triggers and a brass lab pipe. This is a special horn which isn't not explicitly marked a E185 or TR185 but based on the specs and markings looks like a 169... Who cares it plays amazing!
Only other bass I could imagine even wanting is a cherry stock early TR185. I have special place in my heart for the TR185's from around 1966-67.
Brasslab modified 1965 Holton 169 I purchased from Chris Stearn. Indy Bach valves with Chuck wrap. Early TR180 slide. This one has some magic in it.
And my other Holton. 1966 Holton 169/185 with Birds nest valve lightly mofied by Jack Schatz. D slide for the second valve, split triggers and a brass lab pipe. This is a special horn which isn't not explicitly marked a E185 or TR185 but based on the specs and markings looks like a 169... Who cares it plays amazing!
Only other bass I could imagine even wanting is a cherry stock early TR185. I have special place in my heart for the TR185's from around 1966-67.
- Tbarh
- Posts: 505
- Joined: Aug 16, 2018
A Conn "Fuchs" (have recently tried one) with the X - factor sound component my Holton E185 have... With a plug in Valve would be my dream bass trombone.. I am very happy with my E185 without the "Y-factor" of the Fuchs, though.... Cant get greedy.. <EMOJI seq="1f61c" tseq="1f61c">😜</EMOJI>
- FOSSIL
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- Joined: Jul 09, 2019
I've got a whole bunch of dream horns, the final collection from a lifetime of buying and selling. Not looking for anything.... and not one of them plays itself.....
Chris
Chris
- LIBrassCo
- Posts: 585
- Joined: Feb 24, 2019
Olds george roberts bell with multiple flare options, .562 rotax valves in F/G tuning, super short throws on both, and a lightweight slide.
- Basbasun
- Posts: 496
- Joined: Mar 26, 2018
[quote="BGuttman"]I'm not sophisticated enough to know the differences. My King 7B is dream enough for me.[/quote]
I think the 7B is a fantstic horn! But my hands does not like its ergonomy.
Some Holtons are very good, some are not. Some Bach are very good, some are crap, some Yamaha are very good, actually not many are crap. My favo horn right now is made by Lars Gerdt in Stockholm.
I think the 7B is a fantstic horn! But my hands does not like its ergonomy.
Some Holtons are very good, some are not. Some Bach are very good, some are crap, some Yamaha are very good, actually not many are crap. My favo horn right now is made by Lars Gerdt in Stockholm.
- WGWTR180
- Posts: 2152
- Joined: Sep 04, 2019
[quote="goldendomer04"]I just finished piecing together my dream bass trombone this week:
Bell Section: Vintage Elkhart Conn 60/62h Bell mounted to Shires Dependent Rotors by M&W
TS: Shires B in Yellow Brass
Slide: Shires B62YC
Leadpipe: Sterling M/K GR
I wish I had this setup 20 years ago.... :)
E38524D8-BA63-482A-8828-6BF26399E679.jpeg[/quote]
So all Shires but the bell flare and the lead pipe. What's this sound like?
Bell Section: Vintage Elkhart Conn 60/62h Bell mounted to Shires Dependent Rotors by M&W
TS: Shires B in Yellow Brass
Slide: Shires B62YC
Leadpipe: Sterling M/K GR
I wish I had this setup 20 years ago.... :)
E38524D8-BA63-482A-8828-6BF26399E679.jpeg[/quote]
So all Shires but the bell flare and the lead pipe. What's this sound like?
- WGWTR180
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- Joined: Sep 04, 2019
[quote="Burgerbob"]Mine is being built as we speak![/quote]
Please do tell.
Please do tell.
- SwissTbone
- Posts: 1138
- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
[quote="Basbasun"]My favo horn right now is made by Lars Gerdt in Stockholm.[/quote]
Would love to hear more about your horn and Lars Gerdt!
Would love to hear more about your horn and Lars Gerdt!
- Crazy4Tbone86
- Posts: 1654
- Joined: Jan 14, 2020
I find this thread rather fascinating. The vast majority of contributors are favoring or "dreaming" of bass trombones with the more narrow tapers like Kings and Conns. I know that many people love the older Conns, but I am surprised to see that the Kings have such a following. I am not able to get my "ideal bass trombone sound" on those models....they play too bright for me.
I favor a broader sound that requires a wider-taper bell....of the Bach 50 tradition. Thus, my dream horn is something that I am in the process of collecting parts to build. It will probably look something like this: Shires BII 7GM bell, Shires C tuning slide (might end up being a seamed tuning slide), double Instrument Innovations axials, and a .562-.578 dual bore slide (might end up being similar to the Shires Bollinger slide).
I am surprised that there have not been more people "dreaming" of a bass trombone that has a broader taper bell. For me, some of it might be sound concept......I probably have a different bass trombone sound that I am trying to achieve. A bigger part of it is that I require larger equipment in order to achieve a bass trombone sound. If others can achieve the same sound that I seeking on more compact equipment.....kudos to them!
I favor a broader sound that requires a wider-taper bell....of the Bach 50 tradition. Thus, my dream horn is something that I am in the process of collecting parts to build. It will probably look something like this: Shires BII 7GM bell, Shires C tuning slide (might end up being a seamed tuning slide), double Instrument Innovations axials, and a .562-.578 dual bore slide (might end up being similar to the Shires Bollinger slide).
I am surprised that there have not been more people "dreaming" of a bass trombone that has a broader taper bell. For me, some of it might be sound concept......I probably have a different bass trombone sound that I am trying to achieve. A bigger part of it is that I require larger equipment in order to achieve a bass trombone sound. If others can achieve the same sound that I seeking on more compact equipment.....kudos to them!
- Bach5G
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Re: Mr. Hinckley’s comment above, how would the Benge 290 bell taper compare?
- vetsurginc
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Thein, Ben Van Dijk model 547/562 slide. Assuming someone buys it for me <EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI>
- Cotboneman
- Posts: 210
- Joined: Jul 27, 2018
[quote="BGuttman"]I'm not sophisticated enough to know the differences. My King 7B is dream enough for me.[/quote]
Gotta second that thought. Were I younger (i.e. not retired) I might well have looked into a new custom Shires. That being said, and with performing opportunities as they are in our pandemic environment, I have my hands full with my current equipment! :lol:
Gotta second that thought. Were I younger (i.e. not retired) I might well have looked into a new custom Shires. That being said, and with performing opportunities as they are in our pandemic environment, I have my hands full with my current equipment! :lol:
- sf105
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you people, you'll have me spending money again :-o
But I must admit that I'm starting to wonder about the lighter weight of a Butler.
But I must admit that I'm starting to wonder about the lighter weight of a Butler.
- Crazy4Tbone86
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For me, the Benge 290 is a very unique instrument. The bell taper is wider, so it has that "Bach 50" characteristic and the rotary valves play quite open. However, it has a 10" bell flare, so (for me) it lacks some core just like some of the other 10" and 10.5" bells do. It also has a narrow, King-style slide with a tight leadpipe. Possibly it was designed to be balanced by making it smaller on the front end and more open on the bell side.
I consider the Benge 290 unique because has some "big bass trombone" elements and some "small bass trombone" elements. It's just like any trombone.....if it is the right match for the player, it can certainly be a dream horn.
I consider the Benge 290 unique because has some "big bass trombone" elements and some "small bass trombone" elements. It's just like any trombone.....if it is the right match for the player, it can certainly be a dream horn.
- Tbarh
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- Joined: Aug 16, 2018
[quote="Basbasun"]<QUOTE author="BGuttman" post_id="147020" time="1619295005" user_id="53">
I'm not sophisticated enough to know the differences. My King 7B is dream enough for me.[/quote]
I think the 7B is a fantstic horn! But my hands does not like its ergonomy.
Some Holtons are very good, some are not. Some Bach are very good, some are crap, some Yamaha are very good, actually not many are crap. My favo horn right now is made by Lars Gerdt in Stockholm.
</QUOTE>
Is the Horn made by Lars Gerdt a bass?... I see in his website a TIS tenor?
I'm not sophisticated enough to know the differences. My King 7B is dream enough for me.[/quote]
I think the 7B is a fantstic horn! But my hands does not like its ergonomy.
Some Holtons are very good, some are not. Some Bach are very good, some are crap, some Yamaha are very good, actually not many are crap. My favo horn right now is made by Lars Gerdt in Stockholm.
</QUOTE>
Is the Horn made by Lars Gerdt a bass?... I see in his website a TIS tenor?
- goldendomer04
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Aug 25, 2018
[quote="WGWTR180"]<QUOTE author="goldendomer04" post_id="147034" time="1619313536" user_id="3671">
I just finished piecing together my dream bass trombone this week:
Bell Section: Vintage Elkhart Conn 60/62h Bell mounted to Shires Dependent Rotors by M&W
TS: Shires B in Yellow Brass
Slide: Shires B62YC
Leadpipe: Sterling M/K GR
I wish I had this setup 20 years ago.... :)
E38524D8-BA63-482A-8828-6BF26399E679.jpeg[/quote]
So all Shires but the bell flare and the lead pipe. What's this sound like?
</QUOTE>
Well, I have a 1970 Abilene 60h that Eric Swanson open wrapped and added a 2nd trigger for me that I love dearly. Compared to that, this horn is a bit warmer and not quite as nibble feeling, but the lower register is absolutely amazing. Initially I thought I had made a mistake with the YC slide. With the yellow and copper leadpipes I had, the setup rounded out my articulations more than I wanted and it was difficult to get the occasional “sizzle” I love on my tone. The sterling MK GR leadpipe had a bigger effect than I was expecting. (This has been my first experience with a sterling pipe.) Not only did it make a noticeable difference in the feel and response of the horn, it adds that “sizzle” when pushed.
Overall, the horn sounds very versatile to me. I am able to get an incredibly, creamy, round tone or that classic, commercial, sizzle. Articulations are a bit more rounded than my modified 60h and the upper register requires a bit more work, but it has been an amazing setup.
I hope this explanation helps.... :)
I just finished piecing together my dream bass trombone this week:
Bell Section: Vintage Elkhart Conn 60/62h Bell mounted to Shires Dependent Rotors by M&W
TS: Shires B in Yellow Brass
Slide: Shires B62YC
Leadpipe: Sterling M/K GR
I wish I had this setup 20 years ago.... :)
E38524D8-BA63-482A-8828-6BF26399E679.jpeg[/quote]
So all Shires but the bell flare and the lead pipe. What's this sound like?
</QUOTE>
Well, I have a 1970 Abilene 60h that Eric Swanson open wrapped and added a 2nd trigger for me that I love dearly. Compared to that, this horn is a bit warmer and not quite as nibble feeling, but the lower register is absolutely amazing. Initially I thought I had made a mistake with the YC slide. With the yellow and copper leadpipes I had, the setup rounded out my articulations more than I wanted and it was difficult to get the occasional “sizzle” I love on my tone. The sterling MK GR leadpipe had a bigger effect than I was expecting. (This has been my first experience with a sterling pipe.) Not only did it make a noticeable difference in the feel and response of the horn, it adds that “sizzle” when pushed.
Overall, the horn sounds very versatile to me. I am able to get an incredibly, creamy, round tone or that classic, commercial, sizzle. Articulations are a bit more rounded than my modified 60h and the upper register requires a bit more work, but it has been an amazing setup.
I hope this explanation helps.... :)
- Kingfan
- Posts: 1371
- Joined: Apr 11, 2018
[quote="Crazy4Tbone86"]I find this thread rather fascinating. The vast majority of contributors are favoring or "dreaming" of bass trombones with the more narrow tapers like Kings and Conns. I know that many people love the older Conns, but I am surprised to see that the Kings have such a following. I am not able to get my "ideal bass trombone sound" on those models....they play too bright for me.
I favor a broader sound that requires a wider-taper bell....of the Bach 50 tradition. Thus, my dream horn is something that I am in the process of collecting parts to build. It will probably look something like this: Shires BII 7GM bell, Shires C tuning slide (might end up being a seamed tuning slide), double Instrument Innovations axials, and a .562-.578 dual bore slide (might end up being similar to the Shires Bollinger slide).
I am surprised that there have not been more people "dreaming" of a bass trombone that has a broader taper bell. For me, some of it might be sound concept......I probably have a different bass trombone sound that I am trying to achieve. A bigger part of it is that I require larger equipment in order to achieve a bass trombone sound. If others can achieve the same sound that I seeking on more compact equipment.....kudos to them![/quote]
I had a Holton TR180 for 30 years and switched to the King a year ago. The Holton was a great horn and might fit your sound concept better than the King, but the King just fits my personal playing preferences better than the Holton.
I favor a broader sound that requires a wider-taper bell....of the Bach 50 tradition. Thus, my dream horn is something that I am in the process of collecting parts to build. It will probably look something like this: Shires BII 7GM bell, Shires C tuning slide (might end up being a seamed tuning slide), double Instrument Innovations axials, and a .562-.578 dual bore slide (might end up being similar to the Shires Bollinger slide).
I am surprised that there have not been more people "dreaming" of a bass trombone that has a broader taper bell. For me, some of it might be sound concept......I probably have a different bass trombone sound that I am trying to achieve. A bigger part of it is that I require larger equipment in order to achieve a bass trombone sound. If others can achieve the same sound that I seeking on more compact equipment.....kudos to them![/quote]
I had a Holton TR180 for 30 years and switched to the King a year ago. The Holton was a great horn and might fit your sound concept better than the King, but the King just fits my personal playing preferences better than the Holton.
- Burgerbob
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- Joined: Apr 23, 2018
[quote="WGWTR180"]<QUOTE author="Burgerbob" post_id="147036" time="1619317851" user_id="3131">
Mine is being built as we speak![/quote]
Please do tell.
</QUOTE>
Well, Holton 185 is having levers split so I can actually use it... very excited for how that turns out. Also have Benn Hansson building me a bell section to end all bell sections, it'll be a monster instrument when done.
Mine is being built as we speak![/quote]
Please do tell.
</QUOTE>
Well, Holton 185 is having levers split so I can actually use it... very excited for how that turns out. Also have Benn Hansson building me a bell section to end all bell sections, it'll be a monster instrument when done.
- Kevbach33
- Posts: 295
- Joined: May 29, 2018
[quote="hornbuilder"]Kevbach33,
A bass could be built with either long slide/short bell (ala Conn 7xH) or, shorter slide/longer bell (as is more commonly made) Customer choice.[/quote]
This knowledge pleases me. :)
[quote="Crazy4Tbone86"]I find this thread rather fascinating. The vast majority of contributors are favoring or "dreaming" of bass trombones with the more narrow tapers like Kings and Conns. I know that many people love the older Conns, but I am surprised to see that the Kings have such a following. I am not able to get my "ideal bass trombone sound" on those models....they play too bright for me.[/quote]
In my case I came to the trombone from tuba, so I naturally have what some may call a "dark", "warm" or "round" sound to my playing. Because of that, my ideal setup would be something on the more compact end of the spectrum to balance this tendency.
A big setup like this would sound too dull and "woofy" for me, having tried a Getzen 3062AF (yellow bell) with a Schilke 59 (not a huge mouthpiece by any means) and not liking it. Not sure if it was the axial flow valves, dual bore slide or something else. On the other hand, I thought a Bach 50K3 (yup, balanced valves) was pretty nice...if I were doing more wind band or orchestral playing. I also have experience playing a Conn 71H and really enjoyed it when I did, so maybe I'm biased towards this compact profile.
If I played bass trombone in wind band or orchestra at any point in high school (not often enough, and my high school didn't (and still doesn't) have an orchestra) maybe my concept would be different. Alas, those were my peak tuba days. Besides, I'd rather my bass trombone sound blend with the tenors in a big band, which is a lot of work on a big, 10" belled bass.
Different strokes and all that. I tip my cap to those able to achieve a compact-ish sound on large profile bass trombones.
A bass could be built with either long slide/short bell (ala Conn 7xH) or, shorter slide/longer bell (as is more commonly made) Customer choice.[/quote]
This knowledge pleases me. :)
[quote="Crazy4Tbone86"]I find this thread rather fascinating. The vast majority of contributors are favoring or "dreaming" of bass trombones with the more narrow tapers like Kings and Conns. I know that many people love the older Conns, but I am surprised to see that the Kings have such a following. I am not able to get my "ideal bass trombone sound" on those models....they play too bright for me.[/quote]
In my case I came to the trombone from tuba, so I naturally have what some may call a "dark", "warm" or "round" sound to my playing. Because of that, my ideal setup would be something on the more compact end of the spectrum to balance this tendency.
I favor a broader sound that requires a wider-taper bell....of the Bach 50 tradition. Thus, my dream horn is something that I am in the process of collecting parts to build. It will probably look something like this: Shires BII 7GM bell, Shires C tuning slide (might end up being a seamed tuning slide), double Instrument Innovations axials, and a .562-.578 dual bore slide (might end up being similar to the Shires Bollinger slide).
A big setup like this would sound too dull and "woofy" for me, having tried a Getzen 3062AF (yellow bell) with a Schilke 59 (not a huge mouthpiece by any means) and not liking it. Not sure if it was the axial flow valves, dual bore slide or something else. On the other hand, I thought a Bach 50K3 (yup, balanced valves) was pretty nice...if I were doing more wind band or orchestral playing. I also have experience playing a Conn 71H and really enjoyed it when I did, so maybe I'm biased towards this compact profile.
I am surprised that there have not been more people "dreaming" of a bass trombone that has a broader taper bell. For me, some of it might be sound concept......I probably have a different bass trombone sound that I am trying to achieve. A bigger part of it is that I require larger equipment in order to achieve a bass trombone sound. If others can achieve the same sound that I seeking on more compact equipment.....kudos to them!
If I played bass trombone in wind band or orchestra at any point in high school (not often enough, and my high school didn't (and still doesn't) have an orchestra) maybe my concept would be different. Alas, those were my peak tuba days. Besides, I'd rather my bass trombone sound blend with the tenors in a big band, which is a lot of work on a big, 10" belled bass.
Different strokes and all that. I tip my cap to those able to achieve a compact-ish sound on large profile bass trombones.
- ZacharyThornton
- Posts: 615
- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
I got mine. Can’t imagine a better horn.
- ronnies
- Posts: 61
- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
My Shires Tru-Bore bass is far better than I am at this game.
Ronnie
Ronnie
- dukesboneman
- Posts: 935
- Joined: Apr 02, 2018
In response to Crazy4Tbone86
"I find this thread rather fascinating. The vast majority of contributors are favoring or "dreaming" of bass trombones with the more narrow tapers like Kings and Conns. I know that many people love the older Conns, but I am surprised to see that the Kings have such a following. I am not able to get my "ideal bass trombone sound" on those models....they play too bright for me."
I`m primarily a Tenor trombone player. Since retiring, I`ve started taking bass Trombone as a serious double. At present my horn is an older Yamaha 321 single trigger bass. Love it. Great sound , easy to play. That being said, My sound concept is not a huge Orchestral sound. The sound I`m going for is more like the 1960`s/`70`s bass Trombone.
I worked for years with guys that had that sound and sounded beautiful. A , I guess, more compact sound rather than a big, broader sound. Hence my "Dream Horn" tended towards an "Old School: instrument
"I find this thread rather fascinating. The vast majority of contributors are favoring or "dreaming" of bass trombones with the more narrow tapers like Kings and Conns. I know that many people love the older Conns, but I am surprised to see that the Kings have such a following. I am not able to get my "ideal bass trombone sound" on those models....they play too bright for me."
I`m primarily a Tenor trombone player. Since retiring, I`ve started taking bass Trombone as a serious double. At present my horn is an older Yamaha 321 single trigger bass. Love it. Great sound , easy to play. That being said, My sound concept is not a huge Orchestral sound. The sound I`m going for is more like the 1960`s/`70`s bass Trombone.
I worked for years with guys that had that sound and sounded beautiful. A , I guess, more compact sound rather than a big, broader sound. Hence my "Dream Horn" tended towards an "Old School: instrument
- WGWTR180
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[quote="Burgerbob"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="147065" time="1619353472" user_id="7573">
Please do tell.[/quote]
Well, Holton 185 is having levers split so I can actually use it... very excited for how that turns out. Also have Benn Hansson building me a bell section to end all bell sections, it'll be a monster instrument when done.
</QUOTE>
Cool. So you have a 185 with side by side levers? That's unique. I have a 180 sitting here from '67 with the old roller triggers that I'm going to have converted soon-maybe to something really interesting.
Please do tell.[/quote]
Well, Holton 185 is having levers split so I can actually use it... very excited for how that turns out. Also have Benn Hansson building me a bell section to end all bell sections, it'll be a monster instrument when done.
</QUOTE>
Cool. So you have a 185 with side by side levers? That's unique. I have a 180 sitting here from '67 with the old roller triggers that I'm going to have converted soon-maybe to something really interesting.
- Burgerbob
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[quote="WGWTR180"]<QUOTE author="Burgerbob" post_id="147124" time="1619399755" user_id="3131">
Well, Holton 185 is having levers split so I can actually use it... very excited for how that turns out. Also have Benn Hansson building me a bell section to end all bell sections, it'll be a monster instrument when done.[/quote]
Cool. So you have a 185 with side by side levers? That's unique. I have a 180 sitting here from '67 with the old roller triggers that I'm going to have converted soon-maybe to something really interesting.
</QUOTE>
It has dependent levers- you can only use the second valve by pressing it first, which presses both levers. If you press the F lever you can't use the other one! Not very useful if you want to play anything other than the Bartok gliss.
That's an early 180! 9.5"?
Well, Holton 185 is having levers split so I can actually use it... very excited for how that turns out. Also have Benn Hansson building me a bell section to end all bell sections, it'll be a monster instrument when done.[/quote]
Cool. So you have a 185 with side by side levers? That's unique. I have a 180 sitting here from '67 with the old roller triggers that I'm going to have converted soon-maybe to something really interesting.
</QUOTE>
It has dependent levers- you can only use the second valve by pressing it first, which presses both levers. If you press the F lever you can't use the other one! Not very useful if you want to play anything other than the Bartok gliss.
That's an early 180! 9.5"?
- BassPosKenner
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I've had one of mine built for me recently - a Mt Vernon 50 with a good pair of Hagmanns. It's wonderful playing a horn that feels better than my skillset, feels like something to live up to and work towards doing it justice. :good:
- harrisonreed
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[quote="Burgerbob"]Mine is being built as we speak![/quote]
Yeah but knowing you, who can play any horn, it won't last. You'll be looking for something better before you know it!
Yeah but knowing you, who can play any horn, it won't last. You'll be looking for something better before you know it!
- harrisonreed
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My dream bass is probably the wessex Stearn model. It looks beautiful and everything I would want, but even now I have no money or excuses to buy one.
The is no way I could dream bigger than that.
The is no way I could dream bigger than that.
- Burgerbob
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[quote="harrisonreed"]<QUOTE author="Burgerbob" post_id="147036" time="1619317851" user_id="3131">
Mine is being built as we speak![/quote]
Yeah but knowing you, who can play any horn, it won't last. You'll be looking for something better before you know it!
</QUOTE>
Never settle :good:
Mine is being built as we speak![/quote]
Yeah but knowing you, who can play any horn, it won't last. You'll be looking for something better before you know it!
</QUOTE>
Never settle :good:
- spencercarran
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Never yet met a bass I liked better than my Holton.
If I could have something that played exactly like it, but with better valves (maybe F/G/Eb tuning) that would be the dream.
If I could have something that played exactly like it, but with better valves (maybe F/G/Eb tuning) that would be the dream.
- FOSSIL
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What is a dream horn ? For me it must have feel, sound and playability. When I pick it up and play that first note, it needs to feel 'wow'....every day, month and year. It needs to help me get to the sound I want to make, and one that fits with the people I work with. It needs to be easy to play with facility all over the range.
There's a lot of very expensive instruments out there that don't tick those boxes. I have six bass instruments that tick the boxes....that's stupidly lucky...or greedy. There are two uber examples that are beyond what I would have thought possible....again , I'm very lucky.
What are they ? There's no point in saying....they are not for sale and you can't buy something the same...and other people might hate them.
Chris
There's a lot of very expensive instruments out there that don't tick those boxes. I have six bass instruments that tick the boxes....that's stupidly lucky...or greedy. There are two uber examples that are beyond what I would have thought possible....again , I'm very lucky.
What are they ? There's no point in saying....they are not for sale and you can't buy something the same...and other people might hate them.
Chris
- WGWTR180
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[quote="Burgerbob"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="147151" time="1619437943" user_id="7573">
Cool. So you have a 185 with side by side levers? That's unique. I have a 180 sitting here from '67 with the old roller triggers that I'm going to have converted soon-maybe to something really interesting.[/quote]
It has dependent levers- you can only use the second valve by pressing it first, which presses both levers. If you press the F lever you can't use the other one! Not very useful if you want to play anything other than the Bartok gliss.
That's an early 180! 9.5"?
</QUOTE>
Yes I have 2 of them-both made in '67 and each slightly different in playing characteristics. Also the playing slides are NOT interchangeable! Go figure. They come up occasionally but are more rare these days. Not to question your point about your 185 but I'm a bit confused. As the 185 was available as either a single valve instrument OR with the bird's nest plug in did someone before you make this into a dependent trigger setup? Any chance you have a pic of the horn? ALWAYS curious when someone has one that's unique. Thanks.
Cool. So you have a 185 with side by side levers? That's unique. I have a 180 sitting here from '67 with the old roller triggers that I'm going to have converted soon-maybe to something really interesting.[/quote]
It has dependent levers- you can only use the second valve by pressing it first, which presses both levers. If you press the F lever you can't use the other one! Not very useful if you want to play anything other than the Bartok gliss.
That's an early 180! 9.5"?
</QUOTE>
Yes I have 2 of them-both made in '67 and each slightly different in playing characteristics. Also the playing slides are NOT interchangeable! Go figure. They come up occasionally but are more rare these days. Not to question your point about your 185 but I'm a bit confused. As the 185 was available as either a single valve instrument OR with the bird's nest plug in did someone before you make this into a dependent trigger setup? Any chance you have a pic of the horn? ALWAYS curious when someone has one that's unique. Thanks.
- ithinknot
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[quote="FOSSIL"][a sound] that fits with the people I work with. It needs to be easy to play with facility all over the range.[/quote]
Of course - for your core professional tools. But at the risk of drifting off-topic, I find this interesting within the context of having a larger stable - or, say, compared to the classic cars...
What were the heartbreakers, the instruments you've been tempted to hold onto just because they were a perfect example of Their Thing, even if the sound was far outside of today's norms or the handling was a bit too dangerous in the rain?
Of course - for your core professional tools. But at the risk of drifting off-topic, I find this interesting within the context of having a larger stable - or, say, compared to the classic cars...
What were the heartbreakers, the instruments you've been tempted to hold onto just because they were a perfect example of Their Thing, even if the sound was far outside of today's norms or the handling was a bit too dangerous in the rain?
- Crazy4Tbone86
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[quote="FOSSIL"]What is a dream horn ? For me it must have feel, sound and playability. When I pick it up and play that first note, it needs to feel 'wow'....every day, month and year. It needs to help me get to the sound I want to make, and one that fits with the people I work with. It needs to be easy to play with facility all over the range.
There's a lot of very expensive instruments out there that don't tick those boxes. I have six bass instruments that tick the boxes....that's stupidly lucky...or greedy. There are two uber examples that are beyond what I would have thought possible....again , I'm very lucky.
What are they ? There's no point in saying....they are not for sale and you can't buy something the same...and other people might hate them.
Chris[/quote]
Chris makes some very solid points. It really does not matter "what brand" or "what model" you play. If you find something that creates magic for you, consider yourself very fortunate and go with it! It is of no consequence what others think of your equipment. Just enjoy that special connection you have with the instrument and make great music!
As Chris states, a "dream instrument" makes it easy for you to have facility over the entire range of the instrument. In essence, a "dream instrument" should accentuate your strengths and help you overcome your weaknesses with greater ease. A "dream instrument" should feel like a partner that is there to help you through your challenges and always allows you to shine on music that comes more naturally for you.
There's a lot of very expensive instruments out there that don't tick those boxes. I have six bass instruments that tick the boxes....that's stupidly lucky...or greedy. There are two uber examples that are beyond what I would have thought possible....again , I'm very lucky.
What are they ? There's no point in saying....they are not for sale and you can't buy something the same...and other people might hate them.
Chris[/quote]
Chris makes some very solid points. It really does not matter "what brand" or "what model" you play. If you find something that creates magic for you, consider yourself very fortunate and go with it! It is of no consequence what others think of your equipment. Just enjoy that special connection you have with the instrument and make great music!
As Chris states, a "dream instrument" makes it easy for you to have facility over the entire range of the instrument. In essence, a "dream instrument" should accentuate your strengths and help you overcome your weaknesses with greater ease. A "dream instrument" should feel like a partner that is there to help you through your challenges and always allows you to shine on music that comes more naturally for you.
- bassboneman69
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[quote="Burgerbob"]Mine is being built as we speak![/quote]
Aidan...what are you having made?????
Aidan...what are you having made?????
- EOlson9
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[quote="Crazy4Tbone86"]I find this thread rather fascinating. The vast majority of contributors are favoring or "dreaming" of bass trombones with the more narrow tapers like Kings and Conns. I know that many people love the older Conns, but I am surprised to see that the Kings have such a following. I am not able to get my "ideal bass trombone sound" on those models....they play too bright for me.
I favor a broader sound that requires a wider-taper bell....of the Bach 50 tradition. Thus, my dream horn is something that I am in the process of collecting parts to build. It will probably look something like this: Shires BII 7GM bell, Shires C tuning slide (might end up being a seamed tuning slide), double Instrument Innovations axials, and a .562-.578 dual bore slide (might end up being similar to the Shires Bollinger slide).
I am surprised that there have not been more people "dreaming" of a bass trombone that has a broader taper bell. For me, some of it might be sound concept......I probably have a different bass trombone sound that I am trying to achieve. A bigger part of it is that I require larger equipment in order to achieve a bass trombone sound. If others can achieve the same sound that I seeking on more compact equipment.....kudos to them![/quote]
Since I already have a Gen 2 62H, I want the DG for tighter sound for pit orchestras and such.
I favor a broader sound that requires a wider-taper bell....of the Bach 50 tradition. Thus, my dream horn is something that I am in the process of collecting parts to build. It will probably look something like this: Shires BII 7GM bell, Shires C tuning slide (might end up being a seamed tuning slide), double Instrument Innovations axials, and a .562-.578 dual bore slide (might end up being similar to the Shires Bollinger slide).
I am surprised that there have not been more people "dreaming" of a bass trombone that has a broader taper bell. For me, some of it might be sound concept......I probably have a different bass trombone sound that I am trying to achieve. A bigger part of it is that I require larger equipment in order to achieve a bass trombone sound. If others can achieve the same sound that I seeking on more compact equipment.....kudos to them![/quote]
Since I already have a Gen 2 62H, I want the DG for tighter sound for pit orchestras and such.
- bassboneman69
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[quote="Burgerbob"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="147065" time="1619353472" user_id="7573">
Please do tell.[/quote]
Well, Holton 185 is having levers split so I can actually use it... very excited for how that turns out. Also have Benn Hansson building me a bell section to end all bell sections, it'll be a monster instrument when done.
</QUOTE>
Youre killing me kid!!
Please do tell.[/quote]
Well, Holton 185 is having levers split so I can actually use it... very excited for how that turns out. Also have Benn Hansson building me a bell section to end all bell sections, it'll be a monster instrument when done.
</QUOTE>
Youre killing me kid!!
- Burgerbob
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[quote="WGWTR180"]Not to question your point about your 185 but I'm a bit confused. As the 185 was available as either a single valve instrument OR with the bird's nest plug in did someone before you make this into a dependent trigger setup? Any chance you have a pic of the horn? ALWAYS curious when someone has one that's unique. Thanks.[/quote]
It may be a bird's nest, but it's still a dependent horn! I don't have any pictures of the levers specifically, but the 2nd valve lever overlaps the first. You can go from two valves to one, but not the other way around- no rollers or anything.
[quote="bassboneman69"]
Youre killing me kid!![/quote]
No spoilers!
It may be a bird's nest, but it's still a dependent horn! I don't have any pictures of the levers specifically, but the 2nd valve lever overlaps the first. You can go from two valves to one, but not the other way around- no rollers or anything.
[quote="bassboneman69"]
Youre killing me kid!![/quote]
No spoilers!
- imsevimse
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- Joined: Apr 29, 2018
[quote="Burgerbob"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="147269" time="1619526615" user_id="7573">
Not to question your point about your 185 but I'm a bit confused. As the 185 was available as either a single valve instrument OR with the bird's nest plug in did someone before you make this into a dependent trigger setup? Any chance you have a pic of the horn? ALWAYS curious when someone has one that's unique. Thanks.[/quote]
It may be a bird's nest, but it's still a dependent horn! I don't have any pictures of the levers specifically, but the 2nd valve lever overlaps the first. You can go from two valves to one, but not the other way around- no rollers or anything.
[quote="bassboneman69"]
Youre killing me kid!![/quote]
No spoilers!
</QUOTE>
I know what you mean. I have two 185. One has been split and is F/D and the other is as the original with a hopeless dependant setup. You have to be an acrobat with your thumb to go from one valve to two valves and vice versa. I think this horn solved the e-pull problem, but was not really designed with heavy trigger work in mind. If you plan everything and avoid all fast switches from one to two valves then the horn becomes better. My original is in F/Eb and I think this is better in this case because you can then play all notes on either one or two valves and thus cover most passages. In combination with false tones I have found that the big band parts can be played more easy. It is then a better option than a single for sure but for modern bigband charts the triggers need to be split. I can see why you want that done :good: These Holton basses sound gorgeous.
/Tom
Not to question your point about your 185 but I'm a bit confused. As the 185 was available as either a single valve instrument OR with the bird's nest plug in did someone before you make this into a dependent trigger setup? Any chance you have a pic of the horn? ALWAYS curious when someone has one that's unique. Thanks.[/quote]
It may be a bird's nest, but it's still a dependent horn! I don't have any pictures of the levers specifically, but the 2nd valve lever overlaps the first. You can go from two valves to one, but not the other way around- no rollers or anything.
[quote="bassboneman69"]
Youre killing me kid!![/quote]
No spoilers!
</QUOTE>
I know what you mean. I have two 185. One has been split and is F/D and the other is as the original with a hopeless dependant setup. You have to be an acrobat with your thumb to go from one valve to two valves and vice versa. I think this horn solved the e-pull problem, but was not really designed with heavy trigger work in mind. If you plan everything and avoid all fast switches from one to two valves then the horn becomes better. My original is in F/Eb and I think this is better in this case because you can then play all notes on either one or two valves and thus cover most passages. In combination with false tones I have found that the big band parts can be played more easy. It is then a better option than a single for sure but for modern bigband charts the triggers need to be split. I can see why you want that done :good: These Holton basses sound gorgeous.
/Tom
- octavposaune
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Hey Bill,
Aidans 185 has a birds nest. I am going to convert it to split levers while leaving the original lever intact for future owners.
Aidans 185 is a great horn!
Benn
Aidans 185 has a birds nest. I am going to convert it to split levers while leaving the original lever intact for future owners.
Aidans 185 is a great horn!
Benn
- spencercarran
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- Joined: Oct 17, 2020
[quote="octavposaune"]for future owners.[/quote]
Just assuming upfront that he won't hang on to it longterm :lol:
Just assuming upfront that he won't hang on to it longterm :lol:
- elmsandr
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I have three...
NY Bach 50. It is great. Full throated big sound. But only a single valve. I have a period Bach valve that I will make into a plug-in one of these days....
NY Bach 45; this is weird. 9.5" Bell, set up to take my modular valve sections. Currently on a single or double trubore section. VERY lightweight and very fun. Intonation is a PITA on this, but it is a great non-huge bass sound that you just don't get with other equipment.
Conn Fuchs... This one doesn't play yet. Just a little more work to get it done, but I have a new M&W slide that works with it (and with BACH style tapers) that is absolutely F&^$@#-ing FANTASTIC. Matt, when you read this, do bother me to send you this bell section to clean up and add a drop-in valve. Make it a daily driver... it deserves it.
Cheers,
Andy
NY Bach 50. It is great. Full throated big sound. But only a single valve. I have a period Bach valve that I will make into a plug-in one of these days....
NY Bach 45; this is weird. 9.5" Bell, set up to take my modular valve sections. Currently on a single or double trubore section. VERY lightweight and very fun. Intonation is a PITA on this, but it is a great non-huge bass sound that you just don't get with other equipment.
Conn Fuchs... This one doesn't play yet. Just a little more work to get it done, but I have a new M&W slide that works with it (and with BACH style tapers) that is absolutely F&^$@#-ing FANTASTIC. Matt, when you read this, do bother me to send you this bell section to clean up and add a drop-in valve. Make it a daily driver... it deserves it.
Cheers,
Andy
- WGWTR180
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- Joined: Sep 04, 2019
[quote="Burgerbob"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="147269" time="1619526615" user_id="7573">
Not to question your point about your 185 but I'm a bit confused. As the 185 was available as either a single valve instrument OR with the bird's nest plug in did someone before you make this into a dependent trigger setup? Any chance you have a pic of the horn? ALWAYS curious when someone has one that's unique. Thanks.[/quote]
It may be a bird's nest, but it's still a dependent horn! I don't have any pictures of the levers specifically, but the 2nd valve lever overlaps the first. You can go from two valves to one, but not the other way around- no rollers or anything.
[quote="bassboneman69"]
Youre killing me kid!![/quote]
No spoilers!
</QUOTE>
Thanks Aiden! All of the others I've seen have already been converted to split triggers. And sorry I knew it was dependent-hadn't had enough coffee before typing!!! Looks great. Enjoy!!
Not to question your point about your 185 but I'm a bit confused. As the 185 was available as either a single valve instrument OR with the bird's nest plug in did someone before you make this into a dependent trigger setup? Any chance you have a pic of the horn? ALWAYS curious when someone has one that's unique. Thanks.[/quote]
It may be a bird's nest, but it's still a dependent horn! I don't have any pictures of the levers specifically, but the 2nd valve lever overlaps the first. You can go from two valves to one, but not the other way around- no rollers or anything.
[quote="bassboneman69"]
Youre killing me kid!![/quote]
No spoilers!
</QUOTE>
Thanks Aiden! All of the others I've seen have already been converted to split triggers. And sorry I knew it was dependent-hadn't had enough coffee before typing!!! Looks great. Enjoy!!
- d00n
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Jul 29, 2021
Old thread, I know... I enjoyed reading your responses, so I thought I'd chip in.
Chris (Fossil) was speaking about having a horn that compliments your playing, and I feel that is arguably the most important aspect of a horn, whether or not it's your holy grail. That being said, I do really enjoy the wider throats of the Bach 50s. I've never been lucky enough to play a 50 made in NY/MV, but I have played my teacher's MV 42B, and I loved every bit of it. I'd love to get my hands on an original NY/MV 50B, have a tech fab up a Marston birdsnest valve, and just revel in the Peebles bell while being able to keep up with all the low Bs that come my way.
I'm in the process of securing an original MV 45B, and that may be the closest I ever get to my dream 50 (I have a feeling the prices are only going to go further out of my price range, and the unmodified ones are going to become more and more collectible). If I like it, I'll have someone give it the Kleinhammer Marston valve treatment, and if I don't, I'll sell it and probably regret it for the rest of my life.
For now, I'll stick with my 90s 50A3 that was built in baroque tuning for whatever reason <span class="emoji" title=":wink:">😉</span>
Chris (Fossil) was speaking about having a horn that compliments your playing, and I feel that is arguably the most important aspect of a horn, whether or not it's your holy grail. That being said, I do really enjoy the wider throats of the Bach 50s. I've never been lucky enough to play a 50 made in NY/MV, but I have played my teacher's MV 42B, and I loved every bit of it. I'd love to get my hands on an original NY/MV 50B, have a tech fab up a Marston birdsnest valve, and just revel in the Peebles bell while being able to keep up with all the low Bs that come my way.
I'm in the process of securing an original MV 45B, and that may be the closest I ever get to my dream 50 (I have a feeling the prices are only going to go further out of my price range, and the unmodified ones are going to become more and more collectible). If I like it, I'll have someone give it the Kleinhammer Marston valve treatment, and if I don't, I'll sell it and probably regret it for the rest of my life.
For now, I'll stick with my 90s 50A3 that was built in baroque tuning for whatever reason <span class="emoji" title=":wink:">😉</span>
- Kbiggs
- Posts: 1768
- Joined: Mar 24, 2018
Every Bach bass I’ve played has had a low pitch problem. I’ve always had a tech cut the T-slide legs and receivers down by about 3/8” or so. If I have the T-slide out about 1/4” I’m usually in tune at about A=440.
It hasn’t been a problem on my 42—yet. I usually play with that T-slide out about 1/8” to 1/4”. I’m sure one day I’ll play in a group at A=444 and I’ll have to play all my F’s and Bb’s in alternate positions!
It hasn’t been a problem on my 42—yet. I usually play with that T-slide out about 1/8” to 1/4”. I’m sure one day I’ll play in a group at A=444 and I’ll have to play all my F’s and Bb’s in alternate positions!
- fwbassbone
- Posts: 131
- Joined: Apr 07, 2018
[quote="fwbassbone"]I would have to say the Greenhoe GB5-3G that is my main horn now.[/quote] Well I got a new Edwards B502 AR and it's become my main horn so I have to amend the above answer.
- Cotboneman
- Posts: 210
- Joined: Jul 27, 2018
modernized [quote="BGuttman"]I'm not sophisticated enough to know the differences. My King 7B is dream enough for me.[/quote]
I'm with you on that one. I have a 25 year old Getzen 1062 that is like that old coat with holes that we all have in our closets, but fits great and keeps us so warm. Now I've modernized with a Bach 50AF , but I'm about to have the Getzen restored, because it's been that good over the years.
I'm with you on that one. I have a 25 year old Getzen 1062 that is like that old coat with holes that we all have in our closets, but fits great and keeps us so warm. Now I've modernized with a Bach 50AF , but I'm about to have the Getzen restored, because it's been that good over the years.