FS misc King stuff

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djkennedy
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by djkennedy »

HNWHITE 3B valve section in black silver gator case850

Utility ropy loopy 3B sonic bell 900

Nice HNWhite. 3B sonic bell1300

2B+ resisting stripping wilder patina than setting sun

Or BAC else worth Kelly look

Fabulous vintage coffin cases

Junk and day of dead coffin <EMOJI seq="26b0" tseq="26b0">⚰️</EMOJI> cases

Great coffin <EMOJI seq="26b0" tseq="26b0">⚰️</EMOJI> cases Halloween <EMOJI seq="1f383" tseq="1f383">πŸŽƒ</EMOJI>

4bf. 9”bell1480 slide rescue

Numerous HNWhite and Eastlake nickl plate

2B. Based Tempo bells original dents

Two HNWhite 2B sonic bells

50s utility2B slim case

3 3Bf project bells one is HNWhite ($$$$$$)

If you are thinking about trade in

I hope you can pack better than the 48h

I got it slop job by college boy no in first year teaching

Slide hit bell crashed lower Inner got it even

Filed claim usps. Judy the 62233 postmaster said the kid musta flunked packing classes

Trade in on 1962 HNWhite BRASS BELL 3B

Now way hard to get !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So it’s been a buncha messenger

Like my time is worth nothing will be 3 trips to post office

Oh great girl player in turkey needs a horn not much money send pictures of what you have Okokokoko
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Crazy4Tbone86
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by Crazy4Tbone86 »

For those who don't speak DJ's language, here is the translation....

He has miscellaneous King stuff for sale.

Sorry DJ....no disrespect. I have heard that you have a wonderful collection and you a great person to contact for equipment. However, I never understand what you are posting. If you want my business, you will need to describe your equipment in full, coherent sentences. I prefer to not send my money to a person who communicates in mumbo jumbo. Maybe it's just me......I just think you probably have the potential to significantly increase your sales if you describe your offerings in a clearer syntax.
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jbeatenbough
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by jbeatenbough »

LOL.

I have learned that ropy loopy is a description of the particular engraving (I used to have a king with that engraving - it looks almost like a lasso).

Apparently the 2B+ has some wild patina, so he hasn't stripped it.

I have no idea what "Or BAC else worth Kelly look" means.
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ithinknot
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by ithinknot »

[quote="jbeatenbough"]I have no idea what "Or BAC else worth Kelly look" means.[/quote]

It's autocorrect doing a number on the name of the artist Ellsworth Kelly

Anyway, let's all lighten up on the poesy

In a world of Priuses (Priora?) it's nice to see the occasional unicorn on a trike :r2d2:
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Finetales
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by Finetales »

[quote="Crazy4Tbone86"]Sorry DJ....no disrespect.[/quote]

If you want my business, you will need to describe your equipment in full, coherent sentences. I prefer to not send my money to a person who communicates in mumbo jumbo.


Uhhh, yeah...that's pretty disrespectful.

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Moving on...

Maybe I'm biased because I've actually been to DJ's place multiple times and bought horns from him, but the important information is all perfectly understandable to me.

If you knew DJ, you'd know that changing his posting style is not going to happen, and he has no issues with the number of sales he gets.

DJ and his posting style are treasures!
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droffilcal
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by droffilcal »

I have to agree with Finetales.

If you don't like or understand DJ's writing style, then you can choose not to purchase anything from him, or to not interact with him at all. There's really no need to publicly post a wagging finger criticizing his writing and declare that he should conform to your standards of communication or essentially be considered an untrustworthy person.

DJ and his posting style are treasures!
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hyperbolica
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by hyperbolica »

I understand where that sentiment comes from. I have on occasion bought from DJ. It's hard to "shop" because you can't tell what he has, what condition it's in, or what it might cost. About 3/4 of the time I don't get a response from him when asking about something. I think at some point someone had an impression that DJ was a bargain basement for old trombone stuff, and started recommending him to every poor student who came thru. DJ seems to do what he can to dispel that impression, sometimes maybe a little more harshly than strictly necessary. But I guess if sarcasm is embedded in haiku, maybe that's easier to take. It's cool to have characters, but you have to have the key.

I would sometimes love to see what he has, and he has at times published lists of horns. Maybe I'm shopping for an Olds flugabone or an 8h bell that isn't on the list...
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btone
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by btone »

As far as I am concerned DJ is a unique institution that makes the Trombone Chat world a more interesting and colorful place. It has been said that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. There is too much conformist behaviour afoot at present so I salute him.
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Oslide
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by Oslide »

[quote="btone"]As far as I am concerned DJ is a unique institution that makes the Trombone Chat world a more interesting and colorful place.[/quote]
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scarbo4
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by scarbo4 »

I definitely fall into the DJ "fan club" group. Allow me to make some suggestions on working with DJ, since I just visited him last month.

If at all possible, you should visit him in person and see his amazing collection. Dealing with him remotely is doable but not your first choice. DJ is not a brass technician--he buys and sells horns, mostly trombones, his specialty is Kings, but he has some of everything. He sometimes work with some brass repair guys in St. Louis, but since he is over an hour's drive away, and they are all slammed with business, most of what he gets in goes out in the same condition. If you are willing to buy something that might need some minor work--slide alignment, dent removal, etc. you may find some great stuff, but obviously, you need to do that in person.

His trombone collection is housed in an old house right off the old downtown in the small town of Chester, Illinois, just over an hour's drive south of St. Louis (Mostly on Interstate 55, then some back roads to the first bridge across the Mississippi River south of St. Louis, and two minutes later, you are at his house).

He was very accommodating to my schedule--I worked with him to schedule the visit via text and email about a week in advance. DJ is incredibly knowledgable about trombones, and lots of fun to visit. I figured on a short hour visit, find something nice, buy it and leave. I was there three hours, playing one horn after another after another and when I finally absolutely had to go, DJ was stilling digging out additional hours for me to try and play, and also inviting me to stay for lunch.

DJ really knows trombones and their value. His prices are very fair, but don't expect to get a steal--he knows more than you do. I walked away with a gorgeous Conn 88H "Elkie", that is now a daily player in my collection, and (my great find), an Olds Valve trombone (no other markings on the bell), that appears to be a .500 bore, was made in January of 1977, the year Olds closed the business, but plays beautifully, loving singing tone that is similar to a 2B. Because it has obviously sat unplayed for years, the third valve was stuck work, though DJ got it going somewhat. I figured I would take it in for some work on the valve, but lots of valve oil and lots of playing time, and it has smoothed out and doesn't need a trip to the technician. DJ threw in three or four mouthpieces of my choice as I walked out the door.

St. Louis is somewhat of a mecca for trombones--if you have the time on a visit, also consider making an appointment and go visit The Brass Exchange as well. But block out the best part of a day for a DJ visit--an hour drive down there, an hour back to St. Louis, and who knows how long you will spend with DJ.

By the way, DJ takes cash and likes Paypal. Doesn't use credit cards. When I completed my deal with him, I just pulled out my phone, when to my Paypal account, send him the money, he checked his phone, saw the money was there, and we were done.

There is truly no one else in the trombone world like DJ!!
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Cymrych79
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by Cymrych79 »

Hi DJ,

As I just picked up a King New Proportion on the cheap without a case, I find myself shopping around for a decent coffin case. I saw your recent post in the classifieds here. What cases do you have for sale, and what's the asking price?

Thanks
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hyperbolica
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by hyperbolica »

Yeah, I don't deny DJ knows his stuff and he's a colorful character. You just have to be ready to make an investment in the effort. It's not like buying from the online photo catalogs at Dillons or Brass exchange or even Quinn, which is kind of what people expect, not many of us can make the trip for the personal experience. It's obviously his choice how to do what he does, just as long as he knows he's probably leaving deals on the table. Last I checked my money is still green, and I'd be willing to bet he's got stuff I'd like to have.
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Vegasbound
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by Vegasbound »

Please do not disrespect the trombone whisperer, many of us have bought from DJ over the years, once he knows you are a serious buyer and not a tyre kicker, then he speaks business
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djkennedy
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by djkennedy »

Wow just got back from graveside memorial on this misty morning and blowing the shakiest cracked notes taps

Neighbor BONDO BONZIE BILL REYNOLDS 82 under a blue shelter I guess I was a bit shook up………

1917 WW I Calvary pattern Grand Rapids bugle

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In high school I wrote a haiku for English class and got a ZERO ( fitting in memory of ww2) later on

Hearing that HAZEL. MISS STANLEY loved haiku

And were her favorite form

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Flip flop forum word slop

Hyper poor boy sandwich

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Miles Davis spoke bop language listening to

Russell Branch at pinch penny table on break

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Trombone cases in on shelves arranged by

Biggie Smalls. Old new perfect a few

The older in minty the most few

So for a new proportion a correct period 30s case

Nearly impossible

But a nice small student case is great

The fanciest New MTS runs about $140

even though WEBW 0r other seller might say 99

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Many thanks to those who have visited !!!!!!

THIS FORUM IS A SUCCESS. IN THE DIRECT LINEAGE

TO JAZZ CORNER TROMBONE L. ONLINE TROMBONE JOURNAL OPEN HORN INTERGALACTIC TROMBONE ASSOCIATION. and now many cyber offshoots

Still fresh the memories as fresh as

Recordings of jack Keroack alan Ginsberg

The art of words in some way following current events always. Example poetry anthologies 100 list

Recital by author or actors.

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It is incredibly easy sometimes to do business

Yet connvoluted twisted and evermore complicated at other times β€”β€”-////\

Currently a trade deal

1962 3b. Trade in connstellation

Simple until box squishy arrived loosely packed

No case outer slide dented through into the inners

Pre existing crease in tuning slide ping deep on gooseneck

So then ok file usps claim

Decisio. DENIED. SLOP PACKING

OK so now I got a super hot item

Currently brass bell HNWhite are more unavailable tha Sonics

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Case prices. Name your price !!!!!!!

Shipping. Usps. Or ups

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I sold a 2B sterling bell to nick grinder

In a RARE CASE. TOLD HIM. RARE

SURE ENOUGH EBAY SELLER BOUGHT IT FROM HIM

unlike seller HNWhite. I have

UNPIMPED as is original dents instruments

Repairs are done also modifications

Taking pix !!!!!brass exchange has the best !!!!!

Best puffed up description BAC

Quinn is an experience

Thanks for your time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And thanks for having a place for polite discourse

TROMBONE CHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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djkennedy
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by djkennedy »

[quote="Crazy4Tbone86"]For those who don't speak DJ's language, here is the translation....

He has miscellaneous King stuff for sale.

Sorry DJ....no disrespect. I have heard that you have a wonderful collection and you a great person to contact for equipment. However, I never understand what you are posting. If you want my business, you will need to describe your equipment in full, coherent sentences. I prefer to not send my money to a person who communicates in mumbo jumbo. Maybe it's just me......I just think you probably have the potential to significantly increase your sales if you describe your offerings in a clearer syntax.[/quote]
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djkennedy
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by djkennedy »

Dear mister hinkley

Do not fault me for Your failings in interpreting

What to YOU seems incoherent

While others have broader intellectual and educational background. Alas you are representing the narrow minded types set on dumbing down and types accepting nothing but complete conformity.

As far as needing your business your words show best

Your ethics acceptance of flaws understanding of

Regional and cultural heritage instrument manufacturer history Forgive the brevity of this short response and reply to your post It prompted several observations

Of the dim light which comes from you
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Cush
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by Cush »

[quote="ithinknot"]

It's autocorrect doing a number on the name of the artist Ellsworth Kelly
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:clever:

You are good, man! Methinks your editorial insights belie your screen name.
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hyperbolica
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by hyperbolica »

[quote="djkennedy"]

..... Hyper poor boy sandwich.....[/quote]

This is part of the problem. I don't know where you get the idea that I'm a "poor boy" or why having a rip at customers is ok. True I'm not buying new Shires every other week, and I'll buy one without lacquer if it plays as well as a pretty one. I did buy a 10h from you and some 8h parts. Sorry if that offended you.

I've bought from BE, Q, and even BAC without drama.

Anyway, best of luck with what you do. I'll still buy stuff if I don't have to do a dance to get it. You really don't need to throw insults to get me to buy stuff.
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Crazy4Tbone86
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by Crazy4Tbone86 »

[quote="djkennedy"]Dear mister hinkley

Do not fault me for Your failings in interpreting

What to YOU seems incoherent

While others have broader intellectual and educational background. Alas you are representing the narrow minded types set on dumbing down and types accepting nothing but complete conformity.

As far as needing your business your words show best

Your ethics acceptance of flaws understanding of

Regional and cultural heritage instrument manufacturer history Forgive the brevity of this short response and reply to your post It prompted several observations

Of the dim light which comes from you[/quote]

Really? I think I have shed a rather bright light on this situation. I am definitely not drinking the Kool-Aid cascading from the water key of this cult.
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BGuttman
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by BGuttman »

You aren't shedding any kind of light on the situation. DJ has been a reliable dealer in instruments going back to the Trombone-L List Serve. He's never (to my understanding) ever misrepresented a horn. He charges fair prices but on the low end. He doesn't (or didn't used to) flood you with a load of pictures. He's an artist and a free thinker. You have to figure out what he's dealing.

He also does fountain pens.

But if you don't like his style, feel free not to deal with him.
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Posaunus
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by Posaunus »

[quote="BGuttman"]He also does fountain pens.[/quote]

DJ also makes some incredible "art deco" mutes.

He's not a "dealer" - he's an unconventional artist and poet who also plays, collects, and sells trombones.

By contrast, Quinn is a "dealer."

Glad they're both part of our community. <span class="emoji" title=":wink:">πŸ˜‰</span>
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djkennedy
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by djkennedy »

Thanks much!!!!! There are lots of trombones

Seekers like the guy in Spain who bought a

Besson 10-10 seeking a martin committee

71/2” 500 bore Many committees !!!!

Zero7 1/2 500 bores. Sometimes it gets to

Be a burden and frustration It is

Much easier to buy a trombone than sell one

The trombone festival is really the best

And attending if at all possible is recommended

And membership in the ITA

Thanks to Bruce this forum has flourished

After DR BYRD. Flew over the rainbow and attempts

To clone and fold in the contents of its many threads

Failed to call keep it going OTJ
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Finetales
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by Finetales »

[quote="Posaunus"]DJ also makes some incredible "art deco" mutes.[/quote]

I got a "Clari-Tone" mute from DJ made out of a clarinet bell. Plays great and totally unique - sounds like a cross between a straight and a bucket. I wish more people made experimental mutes like that.

(When I got that mute I learned there was also one made from a trumpet bell...need to get my hands on one of those!)
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biggiesmalls
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by biggiesmalls » (edited 2021-10-03 12:23 p.m.)

[quote="Finetales"]<QUOTE author="Posaunus" post_id="159091" time="1633216756" user_id="158">
DJ also makes some incredible "art deco" mutes.[/quote]

I got a "Clari-Tone" mute from DJ made out of a clarinet bell. Plays great and totally unique - sounds like a cross between a straight and a bucket. I wish more people made experimental mutes like that.

(When I got that mute I learned there was also one made from a trumpet bell...need to get my hands on one of those!)
</QUOTE>

The "Clari-Tone" and "Trump-Et-Tone" were actually made in 2013 by yours truly during an extended stay at DJ's "B&B" and were featured in our shared booth at Columbus ITF. DJ provided the inspiration and had the materials on hand (old yarn cones, balsa wood, trumpet and clarinet bells, wine corks), and he has a well-equipped shop where ideas became realities. Great fun making those, along with a couple of other designs (the Cry Babie and the Buzz Cut), which are now cult collector's items.

One of the Trump-Et-Tones is still upstairs at the B&B. Ask DJ to sell it to you and send me my cut...

Chuck
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biggiesmalls
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by biggiesmalls » (edited 2021-10-03 1:23 p.m.)

Images of Cry Babie and Buzz Cut mutes that I made in DJ's shop; DJ and Ben Griffin playing a Trump-Et-Tone and a Buzz Cut at ITF 2013; Mike Dease playing a Buzz Cut at ITF 2013:
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biggiesmalls
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by biggiesmalls »

Images of DJ skeletonizing old mouthpieces on his industrial lathe, and a shot of DJ with Charlie Vernon holding a drawing done by DJ during Charlie's performance of "Chick 'a' Bone Checkout" at Columbus ITF 2013:
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sacfxdx
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by sacfxdx »

Those mutes are super cool. nice to finally see DJ. his posts are always challenging for me to read but his reputation is excellent. I would buy from him in a second if I needed something.
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djkennedy
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by djkennedy »

Mutes experimentation
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djkennedy
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by djkennedy »

Great FB GROUP TROMBONE MUTES

there have been some jazz era mutes on the bay

Like 300$&&&&&$$$$$$$$$$$

Fantastic action I bid like wild on them

Internationals collectors network metalmutes

If anyone would like to experiment

There are yarn cones from SKIF available

Have done diy kits etc the latest buzz are in 4th 5th generation. Using heavy wall budwieser aluminum bottles

Out of production Many steps in making

Maybe a run of ten

David Taylor got 3. 2 buzzers and a pepper pot

Has some recordings and performances with

Oh there was a β€œpractice β€œ mute

Killer chop chop. Chop

Big hit at the Columbus ITF

MIKE DEASE CONE ETC