WTB: Bach 42 or 50 Slide End Shank

jbeatenbough · by **jbeatenbough** » 2021-10-19 3:43 p.m.

I want to convert a shires t47 slide to work with a Bach 42/42b bell, so I'm looking for the slide end-shank.

Anybody got one?

Mouthpiece Express thinks they can get one new, but want about $60 bucks for it.

Thx

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2021-10-19 3:53 p.m.

The part you're looking for is called a slide tenon. You may also be able to get one for an Edwards slide as they are essentially interchangeable. $60 is pretty reasonable price though; sometimes Bach has exorbitant prices for parts (the "D" slide for Bach 50 at >$1000 for a crook and two tubes). ALl in you may expect to spend perhaps a little shy of $200 on the operation. At least that's what I paid a few years ago when I did a similar conversion.

elmsandr · by **elmsandr** » 2021-10-19 4:58 p.m.

Just put it on... the lock nut won't go all the way on, but the taper should be fine. I use the opposite daily with no issues (Bach slide on Shires valve section).

And yeah, $60 is not a terrible price for that part; but you also need to put it on.

Cheers,

Andy

Bonearzt · by **Bonearzt** » 2021-10-20 10:28 p.m.

As confirmed by the Conn-Selmer parts website, that piece is called the end shank and socket assembly

Funny that the 42 & 50 parts are priced differently for being practically the same part!!

The 42 retails at $71 and the 50 at $105!!

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2021-10-20 10:33 p.m.

End shank. Hm that’s interesting. Where the heck did I get slide tenon from…

Bonearzt · by **Bonearzt** » 2021-10-20 10:35 p.m.

[quote="Matt K"]End shank. Hm that’s interesting. Where the heck did I get slide tenon from…[/quote]
I think we used to call them slide tenons or threaded tenons, but C-S always has more

"colorful" descriptions that don't necessarily make sense...

greenbean · by **greenbean** » 2021-10-20 10:37 p.m.

"End shank" is good if you want C-S to understand you.

"Slide tenon" is good if you want everyone else to understand you! :good:

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2021-10-20 10:52 p.m.

:lol:

jbeatenbough · by **jbeatenbough** » 2021-10-21 9:45 a.m.

I've definitely been surprised by the terminology gap. I was talking to the slide doctor and he had never heard it called a tenon...he likes to call it a taper or end shank.

So far, this is the best deal I've found:

Mouthpiece Express : Bach Stradivarius Trombone End Shank [CSP40066] - $56.80

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I've ordered one, let's see how long it takes ("out of stock").

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2021-10-21 10:00 a.m.

Man, with Bach, that can mean like tomorrow or 10 years. I had a friend who ordered a new Eb/D trumpet and it took like 8 years to get the "D" slides.

jbeatenbough · by **jbeatenbough** » 2021-10-21 10:04 a.m.

Yes, that is why I posted here...hoping someone has one laying around somewhere = )

jbeatenbough · by **jbeatenbough** » 2021-10-21 10:15 a.m.

I've been using the t47 "as is" and it plays great, but occasionally, the friction fit isn't enough. I had the slide get loose during one performance already...so, I'm probably not going to use it in performance again until the tenon/end shank/taper is replaced.

Not a HUGE issue since I have a bach 42 slide on my 42b I can use on the 42 (and it seems I can't play both horns at the same time anyway)... LOL

For anyone that reads this and is thinking of using a T47 on a bach, slight warning - the slide positions are off a little compared to a bach slide.

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2021-10-21 12:04 p.m.

That's not much unlike the Yamaha large bores. They have a shorter, narrower slide on a more Bach like bell. I used a similar setup for awhile, but I swapped a Shires valve out so the receiver worked perfectly, being a Shires slide and a Shires receiver. You already ordered the part so it is probably a moot point, but it occurs to me another option is to order the slide receiver from Shires. You can get it with the brazed bell brace part & ring so that all your tech would have to do is unsolder the existing ones and resolder. Might be simialr price and get done faster. Might also fix the weirdness that Bach has between the receiver and the rotor.

calcbone · by **calcbone** » 2021-10-21 12:51 p.m.

I do the same with no issues (47-62 dual bore slide on a Corporation 42 bell). the length of the threaded part isn't *exactly* the same, but it does not wobble and the threads do match up. My only issue is that I miss using an axial valve in the low register!

[quote="elmsandr"]Just put it on... the lock nut won't go all the way on, but the taper should be fine. I use the opposite daily with no issues (Bach slide on Shires valve section).

And yeah, $60 is not a terrible price for that part; but you also need to put it on.

Cheers,

Andy[/quote]

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WTB: Bach 42 or 50 Slide End Shank