Lightweight Jazz Horns
- bobroden
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I have apparently reached the point in life at which the weight of a horn is a primary consideration; i.e., I need to keep it as light as possible to avoid physical problems.
So I thought I’d ask for recommendations about .500 or smaller jazz horns (pretty much all I play) that are on the light side. Such a list might be useful for lots of players as they get a little older, especially if thoughts, experiences and recommendations are included with the horns listed.
I’ll start with the ones I’m aware of, and will look forward to others’ contributions to come. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Kanstul 1602-B
XO-1632 Fedchock
Bach 6, 8, 10 or 12 with lightweight slide
Butler Lemon Drop
Jiggs 2B
So I thought I’d ask for recommendations about .500 or smaller jazz horns (pretty much all I play) that are on the light side. Such a list might be useful for lots of players as they get a little older, especially if thoughts, experiences and recommendations are included with the horns listed.
I’ll start with the ones I’m aware of, and will look forward to others’ contributions to come. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Kanstul 1602-B
XO-1632 Fedchock
Bach 6, 8, 10 or 12 with lightweight slide
Butler Lemon Drop
Jiggs 2B
- Trevorspaulding376
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The old Martin Urbie greens were light and very good horns
Jiggs 2b as you mentioned is pretty light
Jiggs 2b as you mentioned is pretty light
- Vegasbound
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Yep the Urbie, very light and good
- sacfxdx
- Posts: 406
- Joined: Apr 11, 2018
My Lawler Model 1 feels pretty light. It’s the standard recommended configuration. You could probably create a pretty light Lawler horn with his lighter gauge materials. I play bass mostly so almost any tenor feels light. <EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI>
- CharlieB
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- Jimkinkella
- Posts: 286
- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
Schmelzers are pretty darn light.
- smcgonigal
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- Joined: Apr 02, 2019
Besson 940
- greenbean
- Posts: 1958
- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
The lightest horns I have are 2B's, small Bachs with LT slides, and a Conn 6H. One could always remove oversleeves to make a slide lighter - like the 6H.
- Pezza
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- Joined: Aug 24, 2021
I love my Bach 12 when I don't want the weight of my Bach 36K.
- Reedman1
- Posts: 310
- Joined: Apr 14, 2018
You can’t beat a Butler for lightness. I like mine, though I find the left hand grip uncomfortable. My shoulder loves it!
- MStarke
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- Joined: Jan 01, 2019
My Conn 100h feels extremely light compared to my 6hs. After adding another leadpipe it's a great sounding and responsive little trombone now.
- OneTon
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- Joined: Nov 02, 2021
Yamaha YSL-697Z and YSL-897Z play virtually like King 2B and seem lighter to me. The addition of a carbon fiber outer slide would make it even lighter.
I got to where I could get the Vegas or LA big band sound out of a Yamaha YSL 653 but it took a while to get there. I think that it is a little bit lighter than a Conn 6H.
I play a King 2B most of the time now. At the last shoulder sensitivity event it was hurting more than the YSL-697. The nickel outer slide is damage resistant but it does have outer doubling sleeves at the hand grip. An older one might be a candidate for a carbon outer slide from Butler. They may have thicker bells and beads than the newer ones, which might help give a richer sound. Either counter weight is acceptable and not an indication of bell thickness. The horn might balance with a counter weight removed and light weight slide.
There are some cheap Conn 4H trombones out there, too.
I have an ergo bone support that I have used with a Duo-Gravis. It solves the weight issue. I have never gotten used to it. I must move my chin up and down more than I think. I have never tried it without the stick.
I got to where I could get the Vegas or LA big band sound out of a Yamaha YSL 653 but it took a while to get there. I think that it is a little bit lighter than a Conn 6H.
I play a King 2B most of the time now. At the last shoulder sensitivity event it was hurting more than the YSL-697. The nickel outer slide is damage resistant but it does have outer doubling sleeves at the hand grip. An older one might be a candidate for a carbon outer slide from Butler. They may have thicker bells and beads than the newer ones, which might help give a richer sound. Either counter weight is acceptable and not an indication of bell thickness. The horn might balance with a counter weight removed and light weight slide.
There are some cheap Conn 4H trombones out there, too.
I have an ergo bone support that I have used with a Duo-Gravis. It solves the weight issue. I have never gotten used to it. I must move my chin up and down more than I think. I have never tried it without the stick.
- Fidbone
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I've been down the same road. Ended up buying an XO 1632 "Fedchock".
It's very light and really easy to play however I tend to overfill it on gig situations and it doesn't give me the power/timbre of sound I want.
Ultimately I've come to the conclusion that it's more to do with the balance of the horn rather than the weight with small bore horns.
It's very light and really easy to play however I tend to overfill it on gig situations and it doesn't give me the power/timbre of sound I want.
Ultimately I've come to the conclusion that it's more to do with the balance of the horn rather than the weight with small bore horns.
- OneTon
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- Joined: Nov 02, 2021
[quote="EKTrombone"]Lawler horns are the lightest that I've ever hold so far[/quote]
Have you held the van Lier with nickel slide and 180 mm bell?
Have you held the van Lier with nickel slide and 180 mm bell?
- HermanGerman
- Posts: 127
- Joined: Oct 29, 2021
Better to try the Neotech with YOUR horn before buying a trombone which is just light
- tjonz
- Posts: 54
- Joined: Apr 01, 2018
Reedman1 writes:
> You can’t beat a Butler for lightness.
Yup. My Rath R2 weighs three pounds. Holding it up for extended periods caused chronic tendinitis in my left elbow. My Butler JJ weighs a pound and a half. After playing it exclusively for only a couple of weeks the tendinitis went away.
> You can’t beat a Butler for lightness.
Yup. My Rath R2 weighs three pounds. Holding it up for extended periods caused chronic tendinitis in my left elbow. My Butler JJ weighs a pound and a half. After playing it exclusively for only a couple of weeks the tendinitis went away.
- bobroden
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Is there a typical way a horn's sound and feel are affected when you replace the original slide's outer with a carbon fiber one?
- Trevorspaulding376
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- Joined: Dec 23, 2018
Some say they don’t like the sound of the carbon fiber outers , I think it’s more of a feedback from the player behind the horn type of deal but it’s very much a personal thing , definitely lighter but I know a few far better players than I that did feel there was a sound trade off ,
Others love them , I think it’s just different , not better or worse but try to see if you can find someone who has one to try before committing
Others love them , I think it’s just different , not better or worse but try to see if you can find someone who has one to try before committing
- Doug_Elliott
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Schmelzer model 1 is .500, very lightweight, very well balanced, easy to hold with a Williams-style grip, and plays great.
- Monkhouse
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[quote="greenbean"]The lightest horns I have are 2B's, small Bachs with LT slides, and a Conn 6H. One could always remove oversleeves to make a slide lighter - like the 6H.[/quote]
I have a 2b with lightweight slide conversion. I can't remember what it sounded like beforehand though.
I have a 2b with lightweight slide conversion. I can't remember what it sounded like beforehand though.
- Reedman1
- Posts: 310
- Joined: Apr 14, 2018
[quote="bobroden"]Is there a typical way a horn's sound and feel are affected when you replace the original slide's outer with a carbon fiber one?[/quote]
In my experience, the biggest difference is simply the overall weight and balance, both of which improve with a CF outer slide. You may find you have to articulate a bit more energetically, but that could be down to any number of reasons. Your sound will be either unchanged or so minimally changed that it will make no difference.
In my experience, the biggest difference is simply the overall weight and balance, both of which improve with a CF outer slide. You may find you have to articulate a bit more energetically, but that could be down to any number of reasons. Your sound will be either unchanged or so minimally changed that it will make no difference.
- bobroden
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[quote="Doug Elliott"]Schmelzer model 1 is .500, very lightweight, very well balanced, easy to hold with a Williams-style grip, and plays great.[/quote]
Thanks, Doug, I'm not familiar with that horn and am glad to get it on my radar. I see that the model 2 is also described as lightweight -- do you have any sense of the difference between the model 1 and the model 2, in terms of weight or other characteristics?
Thanks, Doug, I'm not familiar with that horn and am glad to get it on my radar. I see that the model 2 is also described as lightweight -- do you have any sense of the difference between the model 1 and the model 2, in terms of weight or other characteristics?
- ithinknot
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- Joined: Jul 24, 2020
[quote="Reedman1"]the overall weight and balance, both of which improve with a CF outer slide[/quote]
...except when the left-right balance changes in a way that exacerbates existing issues. How does your horn feel in position with the outer slide removed entirely? It's a lot lighter, sure, but countering the outwards roll via your index finger and wrist may drive you nuts.
What Fidbone said above about balance mattering more than weight... The trombone is such a weird ergonomic proposition to begin with, and 'physical problems' covers so many possibilities. You just have to try stuff.
Even a light bell section like a Martin Urbie is a lot more comfortable for me with a counterweight. And once counterweights are involved, try them off-center, down by the neckpipe for less torque - even if ferrules require drilling them out partially. (On some horns it plays better there too... or worse. I'd be surprised if you don't notice a difference one way or the other.)
...except when the left-right balance changes in a way that exacerbates existing issues. How does your horn feel in position with the outer slide removed entirely? It's a lot lighter, sure, but countering the outwards roll via your index finger and wrist may drive you nuts.
What Fidbone said above about balance mattering more than weight... The trombone is such a weird ergonomic proposition to begin with, and 'physical problems' covers so many possibilities. You just have to try stuff.
Even a light bell section like a Martin Urbie is a lot more comfortable for me with a counterweight. And once counterweights are involved, try them off-center, down by the neckpipe for less torque - even if ferrules require drilling them out partially. (On some horns it plays better there too... or worse. I'd be surprised if you don't notice a difference one way or the other.)
- Burgerbob
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- Joined: Apr 23, 2018
[quote="ithinknot"]<QUOTE author="Reedman1" post_id="179079" time="1653325681" user_id="3067">
the overall weight and balance, both of which improve with a CF outer slide[/quote]
...except when the left-right balance changes in a way that exacerbates existing issues. How does your horn feel in position with the outer slide removed entirely? It's a lot lighter, sure, but countering the outwards roll via your index finger and wrist may drive you nuts.
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:clever:
This was the worst issue I have with my Butler slide.
the overall weight and balance, both of which improve with a CF outer slide[/quote]
...except when the left-right balance changes in a way that exacerbates existing issues. How does your horn feel in position with the outer slide removed entirely? It's a lot lighter, sure, but countering the outwards roll via your index finger and wrist may drive you nuts.
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:clever:
This was the worst issue I have with my Butler slide.
- Reedman1
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- Joined: Apr 14, 2018
[quote="ithinknot"]<QUOTE author="Reedman1" post_id="179079" time="1653325681" user_id="3067">
the overall weight and balance, both of which improve with a CF outer slide[/quote]
...except when the left-right balance changes in a way that exacerbates existing issues. How does your horn feel in position with the outer slide removed entirely? It's a lot lighter, sure, but countering the outwards roll via your index finger and wrist may drive you nuts.
What Fidbone said above about balance mattering more than weight... The trombone is such a weird ergonomic proposition to begin with, and 'physical problems' covers so many possibilities. You just have to try stuff.
Even a light bell section like a Martin Urbie is a lot more comfortable for me with a counterweight. And once counterweights are involved, try them off-center, down by the neckpipe for less torque - even if ferrules require drilling them out partially. (On some horns it plays better there too... or worse. I'd be surprised if you don't notice a difference one way or the other.)
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I haven’t really noticed that issue. My first Butler slide is on a 2B with a Peppy bell. The Peppy bell is a little heavy, but I just let it sink into my left hand and I’m all right. The other Butler slide is on a Butler JJ, which has its own balance issues - but the lateral balance isn’t bothersome. BTW I have communicated with Dave Butler about counterweights (needed!), and I think I got through to him. Could take a while, though.
the overall weight and balance, both of which improve with a CF outer slide[/quote]
...except when the left-right balance changes in a way that exacerbates existing issues. How does your horn feel in position with the outer slide removed entirely? It's a lot lighter, sure, but countering the outwards roll via your index finger and wrist may drive you nuts.
What Fidbone said above about balance mattering more than weight... The trombone is such a weird ergonomic proposition to begin with, and 'physical problems' covers so many possibilities. You just have to try stuff.
Even a light bell section like a Martin Urbie is a lot more comfortable for me with a counterweight. And once counterweights are involved, try them off-center, down by the neckpipe for less torque - even if ferrules require drilling them out partially. (On some horns it plays better there too... or worse. I'd be surprised if you don't notice a difference one way or the other.)
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I haven’t really noticed that issue. My first Butler slide is on a 2B with a Peppy bell. The Peppy bell is a little heavy, but I just let it sink into my left hand and I’m all right. The other Butler slide is on a Butler JJ, which has its own balance issues - but the lateral balance isn’t bothersome. BTW I have communicated with Dave Butler about counterweights (needed!), and I think I got through to him. Could take a while, though.
- Doug_Elliott
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[quote="bobroden"]<QUOTE author="Doug Elliott" post_id="179046" time="1653259929" user_id="51">
Schmelzer model 1 is .500, very lightweight, very well balanced, easy to hold with a Williams-style grip, and plays great.[/quote]
Thanks, Doug, I'm not familiar with that horn and am glad to get it on my radar. I see that the model 2 is also described as lightweight -- do you have any sense of the difference between the model 1 and the model 2, in terms of weight or other characteristics?
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I'm not sure if I've tried any current model 2's... just older ones. It's a .508 that feels significantly larger, and slightly heavier, than a model 1. I have two very early model 1's and a friend has an early model 2 that I played recently.
I think Horn Guys is his only distributor in the US, and I have no idea if they have any in stock.
The past few years when he's been at ITF I thought the new horns were outstanding. He's not coming this year.
Schmelzer model 1 is .500, very lightweight, very well balanced, easy to hold with a Williams-style grip, and plays great.[/quote]
Thanks, Doug, I'm not familiar with that horn and am glad to get it on my radar. I see that the model 2 is also described as lightweight -- do you have any sense of the difference between the model 1 and the model 2, in terms of weight or other characteristics?
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I'm not sure if I've tried any current model 2's... just older ones. It's a .508 that feels significantly larger, and slightly heavier, than a model 1. I have two very early model 1's and a friend has an early model 2 that I played recently.
I think Horn Guys is his only distributor in the US, and I have no idea if they have any in stock.
The past few years when he's been at ITF I thought the new horns were outstanding. He's not coming this year.
- ACBEric
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The XO 1632RLT and the XO 1634RLT are some of the lightest in weight that I have ever picked up and played. The really pleasant surprise is how full and rich they play. I expected them, due to their weight, to be very bright and to my surprise they had a very moderate and even tone (to even a darker tone with the 1634). I am very impressed with these horns.
- DaveAshley
- Posts: 240
- Joined: Aug 01, 2018
[quote="EKTrombone"]Lawler horns are the lightest that I've ever hold so far[/quote]
My Lawler 1 is easily the heaviest non F-attachment horn I own.
My favorite light horn is the Martin Urbie Green -- very comfortable to hold!
My Lawler 1 is easily the heaviest non F-attachment horn I own.
My favorite light horn is the Martin Urbie Green -- very comfortable to hold!
- ssking2b
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- Joined: Sep 29, 2018
I’m playing the XO 1632. Very light, with a fantastic lightweight slide, and sounds phenomenal
- bobroden
- Posts: 135
- Joined: Apr 23, 2018
[quote="Doug Elliott"]
I'm not sure if I've tried any current model 2's... just older ones. It's a .508 that feels significantly larger, and slightly heavier, than a model 1. I have two very early model 1's and a friend has an early model 2 that I played recently.
[/quote]
Thanks, Doug, that's helpful. I hadn't noticed that the model 2 is a .508, so the model 1 is definitely more my style.
I'm not sure if I've tried any current model 2's... just older ones. It's a .508 that feels significantly larger, and slightly heavier, than a model 1. I have two very early model 1's and a friend has an early model 2 that I played recently.
[/quote]
Thanks, Doug, that's helpful. I hadn't noticed that the model 2 is a .508, so the model 1 is definitely more my style.
- dershem
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I recently got the XO Fedchock, and I love it. It is very light, very responsive, and has a beautiful sound. Much better than my old 2B.
- bobroden
- Posts: 135
- Joined: Apr 23, 2018
[quote="dershem"]I recently got the XO Fedchock, and I love it. It is very light, very responsive, and has a beautiful sound. Much better than my old 2B.[/quote]
Glad to hear that's working out for you. Have you played it yet in a group situation, as opposed to by yourself? I always feel like I can't judge a horn until I see how it feels in an ensemble -- for me, usually a jazz combo setting.
Glad to hear that's working out for you. Have you played it yet in a group situation, as opposed to by yourself? I always feel like I can't judge a horn until I see how it feels in an ensemble -- for me, usually a jazz combo setting.
- Thrawn22
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- Joined: Sep 06, 2018
[quote="Monkhouse"]<QUOTE author="greenbean" post_id="178975" time="1653177209" user_id="150">
The lightest horns I have are 2B's, small Bachs with LT slides, and a Conn 6H. One could always remove oversleeves to make a slide lighter - like the 6H.[/quote]
I have a 2b with lightweight slide conversion. I can't remember what it sounded like beforehand though.
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I'm fooling with the idea of having an oversleeve or 2 removed. Doing so does affect the sound though.
Bell weight isn't an issue for me except when it becomes too light. The 100H and Jiggs 2B are unbearably light.
The lightest horns I have are 2B's, small Bachs with LT slides, and a Conn 6H. One could always remove oversleeves to make a slide lighter - like the 6H.[/quote]
I have a 2b with lightweight slide conversion. I can't remember what it sounded like beforehand though.
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I'm fooling with the idea of having an oversleeve or 2 removed. Doing so does affect the sound though.
Bell weight isn't an issue for me except when it becomes too light. The 100H and Jiggs 2B are unbearably light.
- bigbandbone
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Any vintage Conn smallbore would be very light. And the .485 bore horns play much bigger than expected. When I'm not playing bass bone I'm playing on a highly modified 20H Conquest. Very light, easy to hold up. And plays great.
- dershem
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[quote="bobroden"]<QUOTE author="dershem" post_id="179456" time="1653699330" user_id="3640">
I recently got the XO Fedchock, and I love it. It is very light, very responsive, and has a beautiful sound. Much better than my old 2B.[/quote]
Glad to hear that's working out for you. Have you played it yet in a group situation, as opposed to by yourself? I always feel like I can't judge a horn until I see how it feels in an ensemble -- for me, usually a jazz combo setting.
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I've played it on a a few gigs now. A jazz combo, a rock band and a big band playing 2nd chair. Takes a bit more effort for the last, but the lead player there is very loud.
I recently got the XO Fedchock, and I love it. It is very light, very responsive, and has a beautiful sound. Much better than my old 2B.[/quote]
Glad to hear that's working out for you. Have you played it yet in a group situation, as opposed to by yourself? I always feel like I can't judge a horn until I see how it feels in an ensemble -- for me, usually a jazz combo setting.
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I've played it on a a few gigs now. A jazz combo, a rock band and a big band playing 2nd chair. Takes a bit more effort for the last, but the lead player there is very loud.
- bobroden
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[quote="dershem"]<QUOTE author="bobroden" post_id="179538" time="1653779024" user_id="3127">
Glad to hear that's working out for you. Have you played it yet in a group situation, as opposed to by yourself? I always feel like I can't judge a horn until I see how it feels in an ensemble -- for me, usually a jazz combo setting.[/quote]
I've played it on a a few gigs now. A jazz combo, a rock band and a big band playing 2nd chair. Takes a bit more effort for the last, but the lead player there is very loud.
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Excellent, glad to hear it. It's impressive that a horn that light can hold its own in all those settings.
Glad to hear that's working out for you. Have you played it yet in a group situation, as opposed to by yourself? I always feel like I can't judge a horn until I see how it feels in an ensemble -- for me, usually a jazz combo setting.[/quote]
I've played it on a a few gigs now. A jazz combo, a rock band and a big band playing 2nd chair. Takes a bit more effort for the last, but the lead player there is very loud.
</QUOTE>
Excellent, glad to hear it. It's impressive that a horn that light can hold its own in all those settings.
- HermanGerman
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[quote="ACBEric"]The XO 1632RLT and the XO 1634RLT are some of the lightest in weight that I have ever picked up and played. The really pleasant surprise is how full and rich they play. I expected them, due to their weight, to be very bright and to my surprise they had a very moderate and even tone (to even a darker tone with the 1634). I am very impressed with these horns.[/quote]
I recently bought a second XO 1634. The yellow brass bell section without tuning slide has 483 gr, the red brass bell 523 gr. I think the 1632 bells are even lighter (sure because they are smaller, too)
I recently bought a second XO 1634. The yellow brass bell section without tuning slide has 483 gr, the red brass bell 523 gr. I think the 1632 bells are even lighter (sure because they are smaller, too)
- dukesboneman
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I had a King 2B+ that was by far THE Lightest instrument I`d ever played
I currently have a Bach 12 that I had the hand slide over sleeves taken off and a Nickel light weight crook put on. Surprising light and yet it play some what darker.
I`ve tried the Fedchocks and they are very light.
I don`t know if you want to go this route, Kai Winding used to take New 2B`s and have King strip them and relacquer them so they would extra light. <LINK_TEXT text="http://bjbear71.com/Winding/Non-album1. ... g%20Played">http://bjbear71.com/Winding/Non-album1.html#What%20Kai%20Winding%20Played</LINK_TEXT>
I currently have a Bach 12 that I had the hand slide over sleeves taken off and a Nickel light weight crook put on. Surprising light and yet it play some what darker.
I`ve tried the Fedchocks and they are very light.
I don`t know if you want to go this route, Kai Winding used to take New 2B`s and have King strip them and relacquer them so they would extra light. <LINK_TEXT text="http://bjbear71.com/Winding/Non-album1. ... g%20Played">http://bjbear71.com/Winding/Non-album1.html#What%20Kai%20Winding%20Played</LINK_TEXT>
- Matt_K
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[quote="dukesboneman"]I had a King 2B+ that was by far THE Lightest instrument I`d ever played
I currently have a Bach 12 that I had the hand slide over sleeves taken off and a Nickel light weight crook put on. Surprising light and yet it play some what darker.
I`ve tried the Fedchocks and they are very light.
I don`t know if you want to go this route, Kai Winding used to take New 2B`s and have King strip them and relacquer them so they would extra light. <LINK_TEXT text="http://bjbear71.com/Winding/Non-album1. ... g%20Played">http://bjbear71.com/Winding/Non-album1.html#What%20Kai%20Winding%20Played</LINK_TEXT>[/quote]
What crook did you put on it?
I picked up an M/K drawing Olds .515 crook that I'm having put on my franken 606/607 slide (on user Crazy4Tbone86's bench waiting for the 606 parts now!). Curious how that will turn out, but unfortunately I won't know if it's the crook or any of the other crazy stuff I'm doing if the slide turns out well. :lol:
I've had similar experiences with nickel crooks. I think the reason they paradoxically sound darker to me is I have a slightly easier time articulating, so I consequently have more control over the timbre. Maybe.
I currently have a Bach 12 that I had the hand slide over sleeves taken off and a Nickel light weight crook put on. Surprising light and yet it play some what darker.
I`ve tried the Fedchocks and they are very light.
I don`t know if you want to go this route, Kai Winding used to take New 2B`s and have King strip them and relacquer them so they would extra light. <LINK_TEXT text="http://bjbear71.com/Winding/Non-album1. ... g%20Played">http://bjbear71.com/Winding/Non-album1.html#What%20Kai%20Winding%20Played</LINK_TEXT>[/quote]
What crook did you put on it?
I picked up an M/K drawing Olds .515 crook that I'm having put on my franken 606/607 slide (on user Crazy4Tbone86's bench waiting for the 606 parts now!). Curious how that will turn out, but unfortunately I won't know if it's the crook or any of the other crazy stuff I'm doing if the slide turns out well. :lol:
I've had similar experiences with nickel crooks. I think the reason they paradoxically sound darker to me is I have a slightly easier time articulating, so I consequently have more control over the timbre. Maybe.
- Conn100HGuy
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The Conn 100H has 2 mentions - one positive and one negative. I'll add a positive rating. If you get a chance to try one, go for it.
- hyperbolica
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[quote="Conn100HGuy"]The Conn 100H has 2 mentions - one positive and one negative. I'll add a positive rating. If you get a chance to try one, go for it.[/quote]
I've played a few of these. One was amazing, another was uninspiring, a third was junk. I'd have to play one of these before I put money down on one again. I really want them to be great instruments, especially with the pedigree and the previous success of the 6h.
I'm not sure it's considered light weight, but I had a Wessex copy of the Martin Urbie Green 4501 which was a really solid straight up 0.500 bore. Nothing fancy, but well made and it was a joy to play, and cheap. It would make a nice backup horn, even a good younger player horn, or maybe just a very playable 500 bore if you don't already have one.
I've played a few of these. One was amazing, another was uninspiring, a third was junk. I'd have to play one of these before I put money down on one again. I really want them to be great instruments, especially with the pedigree and the previous success of the 6h.
I'm not sure it's considered light weight, but I had a Wessex copy of the Martin Urbie Green 4501 which was a really solid straight up 0.500 bore. Nothing fancy, but well made and it was a joy to play, and cheap. It would make a nice backup horn, even a good younger player horn, or maybe just a very playable 500 bore if you don't already have one.
- dukesboneman
- Posts: 935
- Joined: Apr 02, 2018
MattK,
I put a Bach 12 Nickel crook on it. I looked all over the country for one. Bach had none, I checked with many different instrument shops (Dillons, Hickeys, etc) nobody had one EXCEPT........ Brad Close. The horn played great before but now it`s a freer and much lighter.
I had a 16M some years ago and I wanted to open it up. I was playing in a High Energy, High Powered R&B Band at the time. I put a Kanstul H8 leadpipe in it and had 3B hand slide and tuning slide crooks put on it. This thing just SANG in the upper range and held together at no matter what the volume was. And took all the air you could give it.
I put a Bach 12 Nickel crook on it. I looked all over the country for one. Bach had none, I checked with many different instrument shops (Dillons, Hickeys, etc) nobody had one EXCEPT........ Brad Close. The horn played great before but now it`s a freer and much lighter.
I had a 16M some years ago and I wanted to open it up. I was playing in a High Energy, High Powered R&B Band at the time. I put a Kanstul H8 leadpipe in it and had 3B hand slide and tuning slide crooks put on it. This thing just SANG in the upper range and held together at no matter what the volume was. And took all the air you could give it.