Shostakovich 10, 2nd Trom - Transposed to Bass/Tenor - Help!

Yorkssteve · by **Yorkssteve** » 2022-09-11 2:37 a.m.

Hi! Has anyone already written out Shostakovich 10 on 2nd Trom either to Bass or Tenor? If so, would you be willing to share the file? Happy to make a donation!

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2022-09-11 2:45 a.m.

Do what my friend used to do: take the part, add a line below the staff, white out the top line, and voila -- tenor clef.

Eventually you can learn to read alto clef. Get some viola books and start practicing :evil:

Yorkssteve · by **Yorkssteve** » 2022-09-11 3:08 a.m.

Gee, thanks

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2022-09-11 6:51 a.m.

Believe it or not, I recall someone asking for this very thing and they found someone who had transcribed it on musescore. I can only find the 2nd movement now though:

https://musescore.com/user/155314/scores/879991

It seems you have to be a member or something to join now? I'm not certain of the details but you might want to do a little investigation there to see if that would be useful. You should be able to swimply swap the clef out if you get the musescore file.

Yorkssteve · by **Yorkssteve** » 2022-09-11 7:10 a.m.

Thanks Matt, it's a good start. Appreciated!

JCBone · by **JCBone** » 2022-09-11 7:40 a.m.

[quote="Yorkssteve"]Hi! Has anyone already written out Shostakovich 10 on 2nd Trom either to Bass or Tenor? If so, would you be willing to share the file? Happy to make a donation![/quote]

Hate to be that guy but why not just learn alto? It isn's as difficult as most make it out to be and it will help in the long run.

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2022-09-11 5:31 p.m.

I'll also jump in and say that writing out the part on some manuscript paper is a really good first step towards learning the clef. It could be a win/win.

Jim Scott

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2022-09-12 2:12 p.m.

Agreed Jim. But judging by the OP’s first response, “Gee, thanks,” I’m thinking he’s looking for the easy way out. :?

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2022-09-12 9:32 p.m.

Yeah - easy is good, but it leaves you in the same situation next time.

JS

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2022-09-13 1:57 a.m.

[quote="CalgaryTbone"]Yeah - easy is good, but it leaves you in the same situation next time.

JS[/quote]
Absolutely.

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2022-09-13 9:44 a.m.

To be fair, for a lot of players, the “next time” may be a LONG time. I can think of a handful of mostly Russian works where alto is even used on 2nd/3rd. Principal there are obviously more but even still… going through my undergrad and grad coursework I can think of maybe 20 works where I needed it. And maybe half of those were actually on alto.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2022-09-13 12:07 p.m.

[quote="Matt K"]To be fair, for a lot of players, the “next time” may be a LONG time. I can think of a handful of mostly Russian works where alto is even used on 2nd/3rd. Principal there are obviously more but even still… going through my undergrad and grad coursework I can think of maybe 20 works where I needed it. And maybe half of those were actually on alto.[/quote]
To be fair the best way for someone to actually learn something is to actually do it themselves. Or it used to be.

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2022-09-13 12:51 p.m.

Diminishing returns have always existed. I don't think I've read alto clef since 2019 and at this point, I would probably need a few days to get comfortable with it to feel comfortable sight reading it on a gig. If I were trying to make a career out of playing classical music... yeah, that's definitely something you want to eventually be comfortable with at the drop of a hat, but I have no delusions of grandeur. And it's happened so infrequently that based on how infrequently I encountered it when I WAS on my A game, I would feel 100% comfortable with having enough time to convert alto to tenor clef for the amount of alto clef I'm likely to ever see again in my lifetime. I'd bet the total list of common rep that has alto clef is less than 50 works (if you count things like Russian Sailors Dance which has all 3 parts in alto as a single work).

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2022-09-13 4:34 p.m.

[quote="Matt K"]Diminishing returns have always existed. I don't think I've read alto clef since 2019 and at this point, I would probably need a few days to get comfortable with it to feel comfortable sight reading it on a gig. If I were trying to make a career out of playing classical music... yeah, that's definitely something you want to eventually be comfortable with at the drop of a hat, but I have no delusions of grandeur. And it's happened so infrequently that based on how infrequently I encountered it when I WAS on my A game, I would feel 100% comfortable with having enough time to convert alto to tenor clef for the amount of alto clef I'm likely to ever see again in my lifetime. I'd bet the total list of common rep that has alto clef is less than 50 works (if you count things like Russian Sailors Dance which has all 3 parts in alto as a single work).[/quote]
Ahh I see. The “learn the bare minimum approach.” I get it.

No I don’t. I’m primarily a bass trombonist who reads alto clef once every ten years. And I do it because I learned how!

Expand your horizons people!!

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2022-09-13 4:51 p.m.

Well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him use his time efficiently.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2022-09-13 4:55 p.m.

[quote="Matt K"]Well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him use his time efficiently.[/quote]
????????????????

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2022-09-13 5:51 p.m.

Learn alto. If you already know tenor alto is easy. You're always going to wind up handing better parts to someone else if tou don't just learn it. I know a great pro who can't (won't) read tenor or alto, so he winds up playing 3rd while less talented players get the 1st and 2nd parts.

Any "hack" is going to take as much effort as just learning it. If you just transcribe the part from alto once, you're half way there.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2022-09-14 2:51 a.m.

[quote="hyperbolica"]Learn alto. If you already know tenor alto is easy. You're always going to wind up handing better parts to someone else if tou don't just learn it. I know a great pro who can't (won't) read tenor or alto, so he winds up playing 3rd while less talented players get the 1st and 2nd parts.

Any "hack" is going to take as much effort as just learning it. If you just transcribe the part from alto once, you're half way there.[/quote]

:good:

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2022-09-16 12:48 p.m.

While I agree that OP should certainly learn alto clef, as it's not that difficult if you know tenor clef and it's quite useful, we don't know how long they have to learn the piece. If they need to play it within a few days, that's not enough time to learn alto clef beforehand. They should absolutely learn alto clef for the future, but that doesn't solve the problem of now.

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2022-09-16 3:38 p.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]While I agree that OP should certainly learn alto clef, as it's not that difficult if you know tenor clef and it's quite useful, we don't know how long they have to learn the piece. If they need to play it within a few days, that's not enough time to learn alto clef beforehand. They should absolutely learn alto clef for the future, but that doesn't solve the problem of now.[/quote]

It is, however, plenty of time to write out the part which would be a good start on learning the clef.

JS

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Shostakovich 10, 2nd Trom - Transposed to Bass/Tenor - Help!