Romantic Sackbut?
- Remington
- Posts: 38
- Joined: Nov 26, 2019
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I recently purchased this instrument, and I'm curious if anyone knows more about it.
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Medium Shank
.500" Bore
No Leadpipe, brass inner tube no stockings
Springs in the cork barrel
Drawn tubing, not seamed
16cm bell diameter
I'm thinking its from the early 1800's possibly German / Austrian / Czech?
I recently purchased this instrument, and I'm curious if anyone knows more about it.
More pictures: <LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1vb-iCrHP8ZEI6H_TpdsUAKNl_hJWlYTY?usp=sharing</LINK_TEXT>
Medium Shank
.500" Bore
No Leadpipe, brass inner tube no stockings
Springs in the cork barrel
Drawn tubing, not seamed
16cm bell diameter
I'm thinking its from the early 1800's possibly German / Austrian / Czech?
- LeTromboniste
- Posts: 1634
- Joined: Apr 11, 2018
The nickel silver Kranz and drawn tubing may indicate a somewhat later date. The small size of the bell and absence of stockings might indicate not too late...
German style instruments are hard to date because they didn't evolve that much and even as they did, some makers kept producing more traditional style instruments as well, so an instrument from the late 19th century or even early 20th can be almost identical to one from 1840.
My (educated guess) would be around the middle of the century. Sattler made tenor trombones that look like this and of similar size in the 1830s and 40s. His "tenorbass" (large bore Bb and eventually Bb/F), which is like this but overall bigger, became the ubiquitous design for tenor trombones but that obviously didn't happen overnight. So it could be earlier, or also conceivably much later.
In any case, you got yourself a nice instrument, makes me a bit envious even!
German style instruments are hard to date because they didn't evolve that much and even as they did, some makers kept producing more traditional style instruments as well, so an instrument from the late 19th century or even early 20th can be almost identical to one from 1840.
My (educated guess) would be around the middle of the century. Sattler made tenor trombones that look like this and of similar size in the 1830s and 40s. His "tenorbass" (large bore Bb and eventually Bb/F), which is like this but overall bigger, became the ubiquitous design for tenor trombones but that obviously didn't happen overnight. So it could be earlier, or also conceivably much later.
In any case, you got yourself a nice instrument, makes me a bit envious even!
- tubaductilis
- Posts: 11
- Joined: Jan 17, 2021
I'd also guess mid-century. I know of an instrument from Graz circa 1815 which has a number of similar characteristics, but does not have cork barrels. Unfortunately, I don't have pictures and therefore can't compare the bell flare shapes directly, but due to the broad bell throat, this does to me have a bit more of an Austrian-Bavarian line to it for me than Saxon. It's probably a good historical instrument for Beethoven, Schubert, etc. Would love to hear it played! Can you tell us a bit about how it plays?
Nice find! Would love to take measurements someday for my archive, if you'd be willing and logistics ever work out!
Nice find! Would love to take measurements someday for my archive, if you'd be willing and logistics ever work out!