How laquering affects the sound?

alberttrombone · by **alberttrombone** » 2023-02-16 10:57 a.m.

I've recently bought a King 3B and did some modifications on it, made the bell detachable and removed the old orange laquer.

I love its sound now, more compact and centered than before.

But I have doubts about lacquering it again or not... Besides of protection of the instrument, how it affects the sound? I never knew how lacquer affects the sound exactly...

Probably I'll lacquer only the inner side of the bell, because in a time I'm gonna hate the black dots, but I'm looking for all the options...

Thanks!

tbonesullivan · by **tbonesullivan** » 2023-02-16 11:04 a.m.

How exactly did you make the bell detachable? The Iconic king curved brace does not easily lend itself to the fittings usually used.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2023-02-16 1:08 p.m.

A good lacquer coat dampens the sound a little. A thick lacquer coat deadens the sound.

alberttrombone · by **alberttrombone** » 2023-02-16 1:45 p.m.

[quote="tbonesullivan"]How exactly did you make the bell detachable? The Iconic king curved brace does not easily lend itself to the fittings usually used.[/quote]

My usual tech did it, with a regular detachable bell ring...

alberttrombone · by **alberttrombone** » 2023-02-16 1:46 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]A good lacquer coat dampens the sound a little. A thick lacquer coat deadens the sound.[/quote]

Thanks!

GabrielRice · by **GabrielRice** » 2023-02-16 2:12 p.m.

[quote="alberttrombone"]<QUOTE author="BGuttman" post_id="202407" time="1676570926" user_id="53">
A good lacquer coat dampens the sound a little. A thick lacquer coat deadens the sound.[/quote]

Thanks!
</QUOTE>

Exactly. And to add to that, the original King lacquer is about as thick as lacquer comes. A good tech can do a clear spray lacquer coat that will be significantly less deadening - though also significantly less durable.

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2023-02-16 2:15 p.m.

My 3B and 607 were much better after taking the lacquer off. Need to do my 608 too.

I haven't thought about relacquering... Too much effort.

alberttrombone · by **alberttrombone** » 2023-02-16 3:44 p.m.

[quote="Burgerbob"]My 3B and 607 were much better after taking the lacquer off. Need to do my 608 too.

I haven't thought about relacquering... Too much effort.[/quote]

And do you use wax or any other material to mantain the trombone in good shape?

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2023-02-16 3:52 p.m.

[quote="alberttrombone"]<QUOTE author="Burgerbob" post_id="202414" time="1676574902" user_id="3131">
My 3B and 607 were much better after taking the lacquer off. Need to do my 608 too.

I haven't thought about relacquering... Too much effort.[/quote]

And do you use wax or any other material to mantain the trombone in good shape?
</QUOTE>

Nope, I just polish it when it gets nasty.

alberttrombone · by **alberttrombone** » 2023-02-16 4:04 p.m.

Polish how? Sorry about my ignorance about it <EMOJI seq="1f605" tseq="1f605">😅</EMOJI>

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2023-02-16 4:29 p.m.

I use Hope's Brass Polish. Once you remove the lacquer, it needs to be polished anyway.

alberttrombone · by **alberttrombone** » 2023-02-16 4:48 p.m.

Thanks!

Slydeguy · by **Slydeguy** » 2023-02-16 6:37 p.m.

I used Renaissance Wax on a Bach 36B 2 years ago and haven’t had to do anything further. I waited until it had the patina I desired and applied the wax. No water spots or change in the patina.

https://restorationproduct.com/shop/renaissance-wax/

Used my museums to preserve several types of surfaces.

Elow · by **Elow** » 2023-02-16 8:35 p.m.

I read that as resonance wax, thought it was edwards newest gadget

hornbuilder · by **hornbuilder** » 2023-02-16 8:38 p.m.

My usual tech did it, with a regular detachable bell ring...

So you had the bell modified to have a screw bell flare. To fit the horn in a flat case.

The entire bell isn't detachable.

It is a nomenclature detail, but can help avoid confusion.

Doubler · by **Doubler** » 2023-02-16 10:16 p.m.

I would think that altering the bell would have a more noticeable effect than lacquer removal.

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