F-Attachment to Straight Bass
- LorenzoAHolland
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Greetings,
I’m looking to convert my f-attachment Conn 72H into a straight bass. Are there any goosenecks that would fit this size horn or is this a part that must be fabricated?
I’m also in search of a replacement 72H slide crook.
Thanks!
I’m looking to convert my f-attachment Conn 72H into a straight bass. Are there any goosenecks that would fit this size horn or is this a part that must be fabricated?
I’m also in search of a replacement 72H slide crook.
Thanks!
- ithinknot
- Posts: 1339
- Joined: Jul 24, 2020
Crook:
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.mkdrawing.com/product/tromb ... ds-nickel/">https://www.mkdrawing.com/product/trombone-bass-crook-fits-conn-and-reynolds-nickel/</LINK_TEXT> or the part from the modern 62H would be fine
Neckpipe:
Doubt it. The few 'straight bass' converter tapers are intended for modern modular basses that are significantly larger in the tuning slide than a 72H.
But - no offense intended - why bother? I can absolutely imagine someone sounding good on a 72H as a sort of Slide Hampton-esque Big Solo Horn, but the valve isn't stopping you from doing that. With the short bell section and extra-long slide, the balance and ergonomics might be pretty awful without the valve and wrap; you'd need a serious counterweight and that still won't fix the grip.
PS If you want a ready2go str8bass, burgerbob might have something in the stable perfect for you...
[quote="Burgerbob"].555 bore, no valves, 9" bell but the tapers through the tuning slide and bell make it MUCH more bass-like than tenor.[/quote]
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.mkdrawing.com/product/tromb ... ds-nickel/">https://www.mkdrawing.com/product/trombone-bass-crook-fits-conn-and-reynolds-nickel/</LINK_TEXT> or the part from the modern 62H would be fine
Neckpipe:
Doubt it. The few 'straight bass' converter tapers are intended for modern modular basses that are significantly larger in the tuning slide than a 72H.
But - no offense intended - why bother? I can absolutely imagine someone sounding good on a 72H as a sort of Slide Hampton-esque Big Solo Horn, but the valve isn't stopping you from doing that. With the short bell section and extra-long slide, the balance and ergonomics might be pretty awful without the valve and wrap; you'd need a serious counterweight and that still won't fix the grip.
PS If you want a ready2go str8bass, burgerbob might have something in the stable perfect for you...
[quote="Burgerbob"].555 bore, no valves, 9" bell but the tapers through the tuning slide and bell make it MUCH more bass-like than tenor.[/quote]
- Burgerbob
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Haha yes, I do have a straight bass that is oddly good. It does take two counterweights to be useful, and by useful I mean I have found one use for it so far...
- CalgaryTbone
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- Joined: May 10, 2018
If I were considering something like this, I would want to make the horn modular so you could play it as a straight horn, a single vale and a double valve. I remember seeing a video of Charlie Vernon playing some Mahler songs on a Bass set up as a straight horn, and it sounded beautiful. That combo might sound nice on some Mozart or Beethoven works in the orchestra , as long as no valve notes are needed.
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- LIBrassCo
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The parts are out there, I know Shires has the gooseneck for sure.
- Matt_K
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I have one of the shires neckpipes. I like the way it plays. I’m use it for practicing to minimize weight sometimes but that’s effectively the end of its utility for me. With it being modular; it does make it easy to swap out.
- LIBrassCo
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[quote="Matt K"]I have one of the shires neckpipes. I like the way it plays. I’m use it for practicing to minimize weight sometimes but that’s effectively the end of its utility for me. With it being modular; it does make it easy to swap out.[/quote]
Matt, A tech can buy the individual pipe sans assembly for relatively cheap. I have one sitting on my bench. Going to be used for a Bach 45 project in the near future.
Matt, A tech can buy the individual pipe sans assembly for relatively cheap. I have one sitting on my bench. Going to be used for a Bach 45 project in the near future.
- elmsandr
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- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
[quote="LIBrassCo"]<QUOTE author="Matt K" post_id="205465" time="1679482017" user_id="48">
I have one of the shires neckpipes. I like the way it plays. I’m use it for practicing to minimize weight sometimes but that’s effectively the end of its utility for me. With it being modular; it does make it easy to swap out.[/quote]
Matt, A tech can buy the individual pipe sans assembly for relatively cheap. I have one sitting on my bench. Going to be used for a Bach 45 project in the near future.
</QUOTE>
C’mon! I like having the only straight 45 out there…
I suppose only “factory” one will have to do.
Anyway, as noted above, they are fun to play, but limited utility.
Cheers,
Andy
I have one of the shires neckpipes. I like the way it plays. I’m use it for practicing to minimize weight sometimes but that’s effectively the end of its utility for me. With it being modular; it does make it easy to swap out.[/quote]
Matt, A tech can buy the individual pipe sans assembly for relatively cheap. I have one sitting on my bench. Going to be used for a Bach 45 project in the near future.
</QUOTE>
C’mon! I like having the only straight 45 out there…
I suppose only “factory” one will have to do.
Anyway, as noted above, they are fun to play, but limited utility.
Cheers,
Andy
- LIBrassCo
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- Joined: Feb 24, 2019
[quote="elmsandr"]<QUOTE author="LIBrassCo" post_id="205468" time="1679483701" user_id="4931">
Matt, A tech can buy the individual pipe sans assembly for relatively cheap. I have one sitting on my bench. Going to be used for a Bach 45 project in the near future.[/quote]
C’mon! I like having the only straight 45 out there…
I suppose only “factory” one will have to do.
Anyway, as noted above, they are fun to play, but limited utility.
Cheers,
Andy
</QUOTE>
You're very safe Andy, this will be wildly different, I promise :lol:
Matt, A tech can buy the individual pipe sans assembly for relatively cheap. I have one sitting on my bench. Going to be used for a Bach 45 project in the near future.[/quote]
C’mon! I like having the only straight 45 out there…
I suppose only “factory” one will have to do.
Anyway, as noted above, they are fun to play, but limited utility.
Cheers,
Andy
</QUOTE>
You're very safe Andy, this will be wildly different, I promise :lol:
- Matt_K
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[quote="LIBrassCo"]<QUOTE author="Matt K" post_id="205465" time="1679482017" user_id="48">
I have one of the shires neckpipes. I like the way it plays. I’m use it for practicing to minimize weight sometimes but that’s effectively the end of its utility for me. With it being modular; it does make it easy to swap out.[/quote]
Matt, A tech can buy the individual pipe sans assembly for relatively cheap. I have one sitting on my bench. Going to be used for a Bach 45 project in the near future.
</QUOTE>
Yeah got mine used at a pretty reasonable price and probably have similar plans... or I guess I should say had similar plans. Unlikely to follow through with those at this point. Adding a counterweight to that bass valve on the bass w/ the valve section you built me solved what I perceived of as a weight issue. I had been using the valveless to practice but I've really don't had any issues since I added the C/W. Originally planning on using the parts to make a single valve.
I have one of the shires neckpipes. I like the way it plays. I’m use it for practicing to minimize weight sometimes but that’s effectively the end of its utility for me. With it being modular; it does make it easy to swap out.[/quote]
Matt, A tech can buy the individual pipe sans assembly for relatively cheap. I have one sitting on my bench. Going to be used for a Bach 45 project in the near future.
</QUOTE>
Yeah got mine used at a pretty reasonable price and probably have similar plans... or I guess I should say had similar plans. Unlikely to follow through with those at this point. Adding a counterweight to that bass valve on the bass w/ the valve section you built me solved what I perceived of as a weight issue. I had been using the valveless to practice but I've really don't had any issues since I added the C/W. Originally planning on using the parts to make a single valve.
- LorenzoAHolland
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- Joined: Sep 09, 2020
Thanks guys. I’ll be looking into these suggestions.