Unique collectible Holton
- biggiesmalls
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- harrisonreed
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UNIQUE ANTIQUE 1909 HOLTON SPECIAL TROMBONE
WITH ECHO MUTE ATTACHMENT. (built in when made)
ECHO TROMBONE
HAND MADE BY FRANK HOLTON IN 1909!
WITH LETTER OF AUTHENTICITY CITING PEDIGREE
SIGNED BY THE VP OF LA BLANCHE COMPANY IN 1979
ONE OF A KIND! UNIQUE! THERE IS NO OTHER LIKE IT KNOWN!
I WILL CONSIDER SHIPPING TO MOST STATES FOR AN EXTRA 45.00
I WILL ACCEPT CASH OR A UNITED STATES POSTAL MONEY ORDER
What the heck is an ECHO mute? Please tell me it gives the trombone the cheap karaoke mic effect.
Also the engraving looks like Shires engraving. Pretty cool.
- JohnL
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[quote="harrisonreed"]What the heck is an ECHO mute? Please tell me it gives the trombone the cheap karaoke mic effect.[/quote]
That sort of thing shows up from time to time of antique cornets (and on some new ones coming out of China); it's usually called an echo bell. Sorry, no reverb effect - more in line with being able to play call-and-response duets with yourself rather than needing someone offstage to play the "answer" part.
That's quite a price. I'm afraid the seller will be disappointed with the response. The Venn diagram of "people who want this horn" and "people who can afford the price" might not have any overlap.
Here's a video of Trent Hamilton playing and talking about an echo bell cornet:
<YOUTUBE id="-EhphLZ2YRw">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EhphLZ2YRw</YOUTUBE>
That sort of thing shows up from time to time of antique cornets (and on some new ones coming out of China); it's usually called an echo bell. Sorry, no reverb effect - more in line with being able to play call-and-response duets with yourself rather than needing someone offstage to play the "answer" part.
That's quite a price. I'm afraid the seller will be disappointed with the response. The Venn diagram of "people who want this horn" and "people who can afford the price" might not have any overlap.
Here's a video of Trent Hamilton playing and talking about an echo bell cornet:
<YOUTUBE id="-EhphLZ2YRw">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EhphLZ2YRw</YOUTUBE>
- harrisonreed
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Trent has one? That checks out!
Thanks for the info, I have never heard of that before.
Thanks for the info, I have never heard of that before.
- Vegasbound
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In British brass band history there is a famous cornet solo called ‘Alpine echo’s” written for that cornet
Just a bit of useless info for you all
Just a bit of useless info for you all
- psybersonic
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[quote="Vegasbound"]In British brass band history there is a famous cornet solo called ‘Alpine echo’s” written for that cornet
Just a bit of useless info for you all[/quote]
My dad used to refer to Harry Mortimer, elder statesman of the Brass Band world in the 1960's to 1980's as Alpine Harry as apparently he always played it in his youth for the top band of the 30's Foden Motor Works . Even less useful I know....
Just a bit of useless info for you all[/quote]
My dad used to refer to Harry Mortimer, elder statesman of the Brass Band world in the 1960's to 1980's as Alpine Harry as apparently he always played it in his youth for the top band of the 30's Foden Motor Works . Even less useful I know....
- andesl10
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I just came across this newspaper article announcing the "echo attachment" from The Stark County Democrat, 1892.
- JohnL
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Cornets, horns and trumpets have all been muted, either by the intrusion of a wooden plug into the bell, or, in the case of the coach horn, by partly closing the bell with one of the hands of the player. In the trombone the bell is not only too far away to be muted in this manner, but the whole structure of the instrument makes such an operation impracticable.
Beg pardon?
Trombones can't be muted?
:lol:
- Finetales
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Time to make a sousaphone with an echo bell, because as we all know sousaphones can't be muted.
- stewbones43
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I'm waiting to see H.O.B or Plunger on a sousaphone part.
Cheers
Stewbones43
Cheers
Stewbones43
- Doug_Elliott
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There are those funky Indian sousaphones with an extra rear mounted bell. I bet you could get some sort of diverter valve for HVAC
- CalgaryTbone
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[quote="JohnL"]<QUOTE>Cornets, horns and trumpets have all been muted, either by the intrusion of a wooden plug into the bell, or, in the case of the coach horn, by partly closing the bell with one of the hands of the player. In the trombone the bell is not only too far away to be muted in this manner, but the whole structure of the instrument makes such an operation impracticable.[/quote]
Beg pardon?
Trombones can't be muted?
:lol:
</QUOTE>
I think the author is speaking of "stopped" as a French Horn does with the hand or in modern times, with a specific mute. That effect doesn't work well on other brass, and the distance of a Trombone bell for reaching it with the hand to "stop" the sound is one part of that effect not being practical. Mahler actually indicates stopped (in German, of course) in a couple of spots in the symphonies for trumpets and trombones, but most players just use a regular mute for those. Sometimes, they are too fast for the change however.
I once saw a tuba player in a brass band cover a muted passage (extremely rare in that music) by having the tuba player next to him hold a piece of cardboard at an angle over his bell. It sounded as good as any tuba mute I've heard since then.
Jim Scott
Beg pardon?
Trombones can't be muted?
:lol:
</QUOTE>
I think the author is speaking of "stopped" as a French Horn does with the hand or in modern times, with a specific mute. That effect doesn't work well on other brass, and the distance of a Trombone bell for reaching it with the hand to "stop" the sound is one part of that effect not being practical. Mahler actually indicates stopped (in German, of course) in a couple of spots in the symphonies for trumpets and trombones, but most players just use a regular mute for those. Sometimes, they are too fast for the change however.
I once saw a tuba player in a brass band cover a muted passage (extremely rare in that music) by having the tuba player next to him hold a piece of cardboard at an angle over his bell. It sounded as good as any tuba mute I've heard since then.
Jim Scott
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[quote="Finetales"]Sousaphone plunger:
[/quote]
Nah ... just need a couple more spring clamps ...
[Credit: Tiefflug, the T/E ensemble of des Luftwaffenmusikkorps Karlsruhe.]
[/quote]Nah ... just need a couple more spring clamps ...
[Credit: Tiefflug, the T/E ensemble of des Luftwaffenmusikkorps Karlsruhe.]
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Those look like toilet seats
- BGuttman
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[quote="harrisonreed"]Those look like toilet seats[/quote]
They are! :biggrin:
They are! :biggrin:
- biggiesmalls
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Updated link: <LINK_TEXT text="https://reading.craigslist.org/msg/d/re ... 93109.html">https://reading.craigslist.org/msg/d/reading-unique-antique-echo-mute-echo/7739993109.html</LINK_TEXT>
Price has been reduced 50% but still detached from reality...
Price has been reduced 50% but still detached from reality...
- Crazy4Tbone86
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My brother, a trumpeter/cornetist, was searching for a cornet with an echo bell (echo mute) for years. He actually found quite a few of them but none of them played very well.
He notice that, while the “normal” part of the cornets were in pretty good shape, the echo bell components usually took a beating. He theory is that cornetists usually lay their horns down on the left side of the horn, and that is the part with echo bell. He thinks that cornet players forgot to protect that side which is particularly vulnerable on the echo models.
He notice that, while the “normal” part of the cornets were in pretty good shape, the echo bell components usually took a beating. He theory is that cornetists usually lay their horns down on the left side of the horn, and that is the part with echo bell. He thinks that cornet players forgot to protect that side which is particularly vulnerable on the echo models.