Is a Schilke 58 a good alternative to a Bach 1 1/4?
- Bach5G
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I’ve always thought a S58 = a B1 and 1/2 (and a 59 = a 1 1/4). But it appears I may be wrong.
General impressions of a 58?
General impressions of a 58?
- Burgerbob
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well, your first impression was more correct.
IMO, there are better pieces out there than the original Bachs and Schilkes in those sizes.
IMO, there are better pieces out there than the original Bachs and Schilkes in those sizes.
- Bach5G
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[quote="Burgerbob"]well, your first impression was more correct.
IMO, there are better pieces out there than the original Bachs and Schilkes in those sizes.[/quote]
Name 3 please.
IMO, there are better pieces out there than the original Bachs and Schilkes in those sizes.[/quote]
Name 3 please.
- WGWTR180
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Sorry I misread the comparison. A 1 and 1/4 size piece is larger than a Schilke 58.
- Burgerbob
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[quote="Bach5G"]<QUOTE author="Burgerbob" post_id="216450" time="1690669222" user_id="3131">
well, your first impression was more correct.
IMO, there are better pieces out there than the original Bachs and Schilkes in those sizes.[/quote]
Name 3 please.
</QUOTE>
Laskey 85MD
Greg Black 1 3/8G
Markey 85
well, your first impression was more correct.
IMO, there are better pieces out there than the original Bachs and Schilkes in those sizes.[/quote]
Name 3 please.
</QUOTE>
Laskey 85MD
Greg Black 1 3/8G
Markey 85
- tbonesullivan
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The specs on the Schilke pieces say they are bigger, but I don't know how those correspond to real world use. Usually the S58 is compared to the B1 1/2, the S59 to the B1 1/4G, and the S60 to the B1G, even though the listed width for the measurements is significantly bigger on the Schilke. Like a Bach 1G is 28.00 mm, while the Schilke 60 is 29.03, which is quite a big difference.
- Olofson
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For me S58 feel close to B 1,5 S59 close to B 1,25 and S60 close to B1G. I would like to see Doug Elliot comment on this? Mesuring vs feel?
- WGWTR180
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[quote="Olofson"]For me S58 feel close to B 1,5 S59 close to B 1,25 and S60 close to B1G. I would like to see Doug Elliot comment on this? Mesuring vs feel?[/quote]
Agreed.
Agreed.
- Posaunus
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I do not always trust published mouthpiece specs (which in any case don’t tell the whole story about a mouthpiece), so I’ve taken to doing my own basic measurements of Cup I.D. and Throat Diameter. This has verified that there’s often significant sample-to-sample variation. For what it’s worth, here are my measurements for a few bass trombone mouthpieces:
Model...........Cup I.D. (mm)........Throat (mm)
Bach 2G:.......~26.83 to 27.25........6.91 to 7.03
Bach 1½G:......27.00 to 27.25........7.00
Schilke 58:......27.20..................7.67
Schilke 59:......28.00..................7.67
Yamaha 58L:....26.90 to 27.20.......7.40
Yamaha 59L:...~27.50.................7.40
Wick 2AL:.......26.80.................7.42
Marcink 1½G:...27.30.................7.14
Shires 2MD:......27.25.................7.45
Courtois 1½G:...26.90.................7.04
Model...........Cup I.D. (mm)........Throat (mm)
Bach 2G:.......~26.83 to 27.25........6.91 to 7.03
Bach 1½G:......27.00 to 27.25........7.00
Schilke 58:......27.20..................7.67
Schilke 59:......28.00..................7.67
Yamaha 58L:....26.90 to 27.20.......7.40
Yamaha 59L:...~27.50.................7.40
Wick 2AL:.......26.80.................7.42
Marcink 1½G:...27.30.................7.14
Shires 2MD:......27.25.................7.45
Courtois 1½G:...26.90.................7.04