Straight Contra?
- Sdoubler
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Has anyone ever seen a straight contra?
I'm playing a production of "Music Man" and I just noticed the graphic they have on posters is a double-slide straight horn.
Just an amusing marketing fail, or does it exist?
I'm playing a production of "Music Man" and I just noticed the graphic they have on posters is a double-slide straight horn.
Just an amusing marketing fail, or does it exist?
- GabrielRice
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Yes. I've played one. The Boston Symphony owns a Conn BBb contrabass trombone with no valve, which was rented for me for a concert a few years ago. It looked a lot like that picture.
- Burgerbob
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That looks like an Eb or Bb double slide horn. A BBb contra has a doubled over bell section as well.
- Crazy4Tbone86
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Yamaha made a straight contra in F for Doug Yeo. They show it at the end of this video:
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- Sdoubler
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Good info guys!
Of course, I meant a straight contra with doubled slide.
Sounds like Gabe has played one! Gabe, was it actually a BBb, or Bb as Aidan suggested?
Of course, I meant a straight contra with doubled slide.
Sounds like Gabe has played one! Gabe, was it actually a BBb, or Bb as Aidan suggested?
- Sdoubler
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Either way, I doubt Harold Hill was selling it to Iowa band students!
- brassmedic
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If by "straight", you mean no valve, a lot of them have been made. A BBb or CC contra would usually have a loop in the bell section so as not to be ridiculously long. You can find some here: <LINK_TEXT text="https://collections.ed.ac.uk/mimed/sear ... rombone%22">https://collections.ed.ac.uk/mimed/search/*:*/Instrument:%22contrabass+trombone%7C%7C%7CContrabass+trombone%22</LINK_TEXT>
Conn made several double slide BBb contras without valve. I have built a couple of BBb contras myself.
I have seen pictures of Eb bass trombones with double slides. That's what the Music Man picture looks like, although I suspect it's just artwork and not an image of an actual existing trombone. But such things certainly exist. An Eb or F instrument would actually be a bass trombone, not a contra.
Conn made several double slide BBb contras without valve. I have built a couple of BBb contras myself.
I have seen pictures of Eb bass trombones with double slides. That's what the Music Man picture looks like, although I suspect it's just artwork and not an image of an actual existing trombone. But such things certainly exist. An Eb or F instrument would actually be a bass trombone, not a contra.
- Sdoubler
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Thanks Brad! So a double slide trombone with no valve and no extra bell loop is likely an Eb (or maybe F) bass trombone. Cool!
Now if only I could turn this to my advantage and have the theater pay me for an Eb bass trombone double...
Now if only I could turn this to my advantage and have the theater pay me for an Eb bass trombone double...
- GabrielRice
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Actually there are also a couple of double slide straight F bass trombones in existence and I think available for rent: one is at Osmun Music built by Steve Shires when he worked there back in the late 80s or early 90s, and I believe Edwards made one too.
- AtomicClock
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[quote="brassmedic"]I suspect it's just artwork and not an image of an actual existing trombone.[/quote]
Imho, there's enough detail in that image that the artist must have been working from a real-life model.
Imho, there's enough detail in that image that the artist must have been working from a real-life model.
- BGuttman
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I don't think it's a bass. Very reminiscent of the (DEG?) Jazzbone which was a tenor with a doubled over slide to make fast runs easier (after all, the positions are half distance). Big problem with such an instrument is that intonation is really a challenge. You have to hit those short positions pretty accurately.
- JohnL
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[quote="BGuttman"]I don't think it's a bass. Very reminiscent of the (DEG?) Jazzbone which was a tenor with a doubled over slide to make fast runs easier (after all, the positions are half distance). Big problem with such an instrument is that intonation is really a challenge. You have to hit those short positions pretty accurately.[/quote]
The proportions seem a bit off to me.
Here's an image of a Tromba Jazzbone:
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and a DEG Quadro:
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Notice how short the slides are in comparison to the bell.
The proportions seem a bit off to me.
Here's an image of a Tromba Jazzbone:
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and a DEG Quadro:
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Notice how short the slides are in comparison to the bell.
- AtomicClock
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Doug Yeo's gallery contains the contra Gabe mentioned, plus another Salvation Army contra. Other than the extra loop in the bell section, the proportions align well with the graphic.
https://www.yeodoug.com/home/text/trombone_gallery.html
https://www.yeodoug.com/home/text/trombone_gallery.html
- Kevbach33
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I vote for a lower pitched instrument, just not lower than F or Eb. (Why would one build a G trombone with a double slide though...?) Such an instrument isn't necessarily a contrabass though; in the 1920s Conn listed a 72H (before the Bb/F 72H that we know) as a "#5 bore Eb bass with double slide."
https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnTrbHFull.html
I wonder if this is a drawing of such a Conn.
https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnTrbHFull.html
I wonder if this is a drawing of such a Conn.
- claf
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It is more likely an artist's view of what a trombone looks like.
An artist not knowing what a trombone looks like I mean.
An artist not knowing what a trombone looks like I mean.
- Finetales
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[quote="Kevbach33"]I vote for a lower pitched instrument, just not lower than F or Eb. (Why would one build a G trombone with a double slide though...?) Such an instrument isn't necessarily a contrabass though; in the 1920s Conn listed a 72H (before the Bb/F 72H that we know) as a "#5 bore Eb bass with double slide."[/quote]
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- jacobgarchik
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there was a Holton on ebay that we discussed.
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- bbocaner
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[quote="Crazy4Tbone86"]Yamaha made a straight contra in F for Doug Yeo. They show it at the end of this video:
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That's a bass trombone in F, not a contrabass.
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That's a bass trombone in F, not a contrabass.