Referral on Independant method book

etbone · by **etbone** » 2024-04-30 5:28 p.m.

I'm looking for a method book, to help develop better muscle memory...utilizing the Gflat valve. I do have etude books, but not a modern method book. Suggestions?

I'm 68, Been playing off and on 40+ years. Some college studies(but none on bass). Currently performing 2nd and bass parts. Adult wind ensemble.

etbone

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2024-04-30 5:38 p.m.

Aharoni method

etbone · by **etbone** » 2024-04-30 5:52 p.m.

ThX Aidan. I enjoy your Youtube channel.

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2024-04-30 5:54 p.m.

[quote="etbone"]ThX Aidan. I enjoy your Youtube channel.[/quote]

No problemo! :cool:

KWL · by **KWL** » 2024-04-30 9:54 p.m.

I’ve also found George Curran’s Daily Routine helpful with that.

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Kbiggs · by **Kbiggs** » 2024-05-01 1:25 a.m.

Allen Ostrander’s books are also good. There’s also the Paul Faulise books… if you have the persistence and courage…

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SimmonsTrombone · by **SimmonsTrombone** » 2024-05-01 5:58 a.m.

The best I've found is Brad Edward's bass trombone book.

Johnstad · by **Johnstad** » 2024-05-02 11:14 a.m.

Sadly, I believe Paul Faulise's book is no longer in print. Some great exercises that focus on the Gb valve.

ghmerrill · by **ghmerrill** » 2024-05-02 1:42 p.m.

I have used Aharoni's book and keep it as a "resource," though I do find the exercises to be fairly tedious and he seems to spend less time/space on the F/Gb/D configuration than others. Also, it can be a bit hard to get and I really didn't like the binding on it -- didn't like it enough that I went to an office store and had it rebound with a better heavy-duty spiral binding so it would lay flat. It has just barely enough margin room to do that.

I thought I was doing pretty well with the whole double valve thing (playing in a couple of community bands for several years). But then I got involved with a big/swing/... band and am REALLY learning how to use the valves -- and when NOT to. :lol: Today I've been hammering on Patrick Williams' arrangement of "Saturday Night." It shouldn't be difficult, but ... :roll:

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2024-05-02 1:54 p.m.

Yes, the binding on the Aharoni is about as bad as it gets.

ghmerrill · by **ghmerrill** » 2024-05-02 2:05 p.m.

[quote="Burgerbob"]Yes, the binding on the Aharoni is about as bad as it gets.[/quote]
The rebinding was a "done while you wait" deal (at Staples, I think), and only cost me a few bucks ($5 maybe?). But you need to get someone who's sensitive to not encroaching on the printed portion. The guy who did mine was very careful.

JohnL · by **JohnL** » 2024-05-02 3:11 p.m.

[quote="Kbiggs"]Allen Ostrander’s books are also good.[/quote]
Does the Ostrander book address indy horns?

Paul Faulise's The Inline Double Valve Bass Trombone F Gb D; Daily Warm-up and Valve Exercises is available on Scribd:

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AtomicClock · by **AtomicClock** » 2024-05-02 3:21 p.m.

[quote="ghmerrill"]The rebinding was a "done while you wait" deal (at Staples, I think), and only cost me a few bucks ($5 maybe?).[/quote]

That was my experience as well. I think I went to Kinko's. If I had to do it again, I'd shop around for à store that has a good choice of bindings. An eleven inch spiral on that book is a little ridiculous.

ghmerrill · by **ghmerrill** » 2024-05-02 4:07 p.m.

[quote="AtomicClock"]An eleven inch spiral on that book is a little ridiculous.[/quote]
This triggers a memory ... The guy who did it said that what they had wasn't long enough for the book and suggested cutting the book down. So as part of the job he took a little off the top and a little off the bottom. All that was lost was a little bit of the trombone sketch at the bottom of the inside front cover, and the length came out to be about 11 3/4". That's worked well for me. I suppose if I ever sell it, I could offer it as "improved and optimized for use by US players."

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2024-05-02 6:08 p.m.

Ostrander's book was called "F-attachment and Bass Trombone" and really dealt with the F valve. It's a great introduction to the use of the F-valve, whether you are playing low tenor or bass. I think I've recommended it at least 50 times.

We didn't have any good methods for bass when I was getting started and I used a trumpet method (Sachse) read as bass clef as a follow-on to Ostrander.

Alan Raph published a method for double valve which I believe was intended for a dependent in Bb/F/D. I never found exercises in it for the Gb (or G) valve alone.

When I found the Faulise method I worked from that for a while. At the time everybody was touting Theele and his fart-level long tones. I preferred the Faulise set of exercises in technique.

JohnL · by **JohnL** » 2024-05-02 8:08 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]Ostrander's book was called "F-attachment and Bass Trombone" and really dealt with the F valve. It's a great introduction to the use of the F-valve, whether you are playing low tenor or bass.[/quote]

Ostrander also wrote a couple books for double-valve:

~~[url=https://www.hickeys.com/music/brass/trombone/bass_trombone/methods_and_studies/products/sku002431-ostrander-allen-basic-technics-for-the-double-valve-bass-trombone.php]~~Basic Techniques for the Double Valve Bass Trombone

~~[url=https://www.hickeys.com/music/brass/trombone/bass_trombone/methods_and_studies/products/sku020803-ostrander-allen-double-valve-low-tone-studies.php]~~Double Valve Bass Trombone Low Tone Studies

but I'm pretty sure they're written for dependent (well, I know the second one is, and I'm pretty sure about the first).

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