Slide lock too tight

Arendsdale · by **Arendsdale** » 2024-05-01 8:28 p.m.

Hi all! Has anyone ever had an issue where the slide lock is too tight? The bar on the outer slide actually comes into contact with the inner slide housing when moving into first position and the slide lock ring is resistive to rotate

Elow · by **Elow** » 2024-05-01 8:42 p.m.

You need new bumpers

Arendsdale · by **Arendsdale** » 2024-05-01 8:48 p.m.

[quote="Elow"]You need new bumpers[/quote]
Bumpers like the cork at the very top of the inner slide?

Elow · by **Elow** » 2024-05-01 9:02 p.m.

JohnL · by **JohnL** » 2024-05-02 1:06 a.m.

Does the slide lock ring move freely when the slide is "out"?

Arendsdale · by **Arendsdale** » 2024-05-02 7:57 a.m.

[quote="JohnL"]Does the slide lock ring move freely when the slide is "out"?[/quote]
No, it's still tough to rotate. Not impossible by any means, just takes effort

atopper333 · by **atopper333** » 2024-05-02 9:24 a.m.

Sounds like the ring might be bent too?

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2024-05-02 9:27 a.m.

[quote="Arendsdale"]<QUOTE author="JohnL" post_id="241910" time="1714626388" user_id="119">
Does the slide lock ring move freely when the slide is "out"?[/quote]
No, it's still tough to rotate. Not impossible by any means, just takes effort
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That might not be a bad thing, sometimes a lock that is too loose will buzz when you play.

musicofnote · 2024-05-02 10:00 a.m.

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harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2024-05-02 12:37 p.m.

[quote="musicofnote"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="241918" time="1714656471" user_id="3642">

That might not be a bad thing, sometimes a lock that is too loose will buzz when you play.[/quote]

Oh, Geez. Here we go again with buzzing. Now the slide -can- buzz. Next, my dog on the sofa while I'm practicing, will be required to buzz. Where does it stop?? And no, he's a Galgo Español, and don' do no stinkin' buzzin' neither.

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Huh?

Lowbrassbrian · by **Lowbrassbrian** » 2024-05-02 12:45 p.m.

[quote="musicofnote"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="241918" time="1714656471" user_id="3642">

That might not be a bad thing, sometimes a lock that is too loose will buzz when you play.[/quote]

Oh, Geez. Here we go again with buzzing. Now the slide -can- buzz. Next, my dog on the sofa while I'm practicing, will be required to buzz. Where does it stop?? And no, he's a Galgo Español, and don' do no stinkin' buzzin' neither.

( sarcasm mode OFF )
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I could be wrong but I believe he means like the slide lock itself will make a ringing/buzzing sound, not that he would buzz the slide, but maybe I am wrong :idk: . English is not my first language haha :lol:

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2024-05-02 12:59 p.m.

With the outer slide moved out of the picture, can you rotate the slide lock one full turn counterclockwise? Most slide locks don't work if the ring is turned on too tight.

If you have a slide lock that only turns 1/4 turn or so, you may need to have a Tech see if there is some kind of adjustment that can be made.

Arendsdale · by **Arendsdale** » 2024-05-02 1:02 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]With the outer slide moved out of the picture, can you rotate the slide lock one full turn counterclockwise? Most slide locks don't work if the ring is turned on too tight.

If you have a slide lock that only turns 1/4 turn or so, you may need to have a Tech see if there is some kind of adjustment that can be made.[/quote]
It only turns 1/4 of a rotation

Doug_Elliott · by **Doug_Elliott** » 2024-05-02 1:22 p.m.

It's a Recording, right? They only turn 1/4 turn.

Put some oil in there and get it loosened up. And take it to a tech to get the bumpers replaced and fitted correcty.

OneTon · by **OneTon** » 2024-05-02 1:22 p.m.

I have and have had a few horns that the slide lock pin was too tight when it engaged the outer slide lug. I was able to loosen the inner slide pin retainer one or two rotations and get normal engagement. If it seemed as if the inner slide pin retainer was rattling, I apply Vaseline to the threads when I perform weekly slide maintenance. The lug engagement interface on an Olds may be a slot. Olds may be unique.

The terminating repair can be accomplished by a technician by replacing the cork barrel bumpers and/or adjusting the lug location on the outer slide. Or correcting what ever out of specification condition that they find.

ghmerrill · by **ghmerrill** » 2024-05-02 1:30 p.m.

[quote="musicofnote"]Next, my dog on the sofa while I'm practicing, will be required to buzz.[/quote]
Most dogs will buzz with no encouragement. All of our dogs buzzed, but only in the bass to contrabass registers (Labrador retrievers, German Shepherds, but my son has a Standard Schnauzer that buzzes in the lower range as well, although I don't think he does contrabass). No sarcasm intended -- just the facts.

Arendsdale · by **Arendsdale** » 2024-05-02 1:32 p.m.

[quote="Doug Elliott"]It's a Recording, right? They only turn 1/4 turn.

Put some oil in there and get it loosened up. And take it to a tech to get the bumpers replaced and fitted correcty.[/quote]
Any oil you'd recommend?

Doug_Elliott · by **Doug_Elliott** » 2024-05-02 1:36 p.m.

valve oil, or something thin to flush out whatever is making it sticky.

Or put it in the tub and use Dawn dish soap.

musicofnote · 2024-05-02 1:55 p.m.

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ghmerrill · by **ghmerrill** » 2024-05-02 2:02 p.m.

Pull the outer slide off and look closely down at the lock ring as you move it back and forth. You may see that the barrel that it's rotating on has been distorted out of round a bit. On my Standard, I can see a small part of the edge that got dented/bent in just slightly, making it out of round. If that's the problem, cleaning and lubrication likely won't contribute much to a solution and you need to take it to a repair tech. I'm not doing that because the distortion on mine is minor, and I actually like the little bit of friction it imposes on the lock. :roll:

JohnL · by **JohnL** » 2024-05-02 2:10 p.m.

[quote="Arendsdale"]The bar on the outer slide actually comes into contact with the inner slide housing when moving into first position and the slide lock ring is resistive to rotate[/quote]
Seems like we've focused on the second half of this statement - that the slide lock ring is difficult to move. Let's look at the first part...

So what, exactly, is coming into contact with what? Is the ring on the upper end of the outer slide tube (as indicated in the image below) bumping against the slide lock pin?
<ATTACHMENT filename="ring.jpg" index="1">~~[attachment=1]~~ring.jpg</ATTACHMENT>

or is the slide lock lug on the outer slide (green arrow on image below) bumping into the slide lock ring (red arrow)?
<ATTACHMENT filename="ring2.jpg" index="0">~~[attachment=0]~~ring2.jpg</ATTACHMENT>

Arendsdale · by **Arendsdale** » 2024-05-02 2:21 p.m.

[quote="JohnL"]<QUOTE author="Arendsdale" post_id="241895" time="1714609691" user_id="13039">The bar on the outer slide actually comes into contact with the inner slide housing when moving into first position and the slide lock ring is resistive to rotate[/quote]
Seems like we've focused on the second half of this statement - that the slide lock ring is difficult to move. Let's look at the first part...

So what, exactly, is coming into contact with what? Is the ring on the upper end of the outer slide tube (as indicated in the image below) bumping against the slide lock pin?

ring.jpg

or is the slide lock lug on the outer slide (green arrow on image below) bumping into the slide lock ring (red arrow)?

ring2.jpg
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Great descriptions with arrows! The second image is what's happening. The lug on the outer slide is bumping into the slide lock ring

JohnL · by **JohnL** » 2024-05-02 2:48 p.m.

[quote="Arendsdale"]Great descriptions with arrows! The second image is what's happening. The lug on the outer slide is bumping into the slide lock ring[/quote]
Yeah, there's something more going on that just a bumper issue. My best guess is that the slide lock was loose, so somebody tried to fix it by tweaking it a little out round and went too far. It could also be that the tubes are either not straight and/or parallel.

Are the slide lock ring and the inner slide tube concentric (i.e., the gap between them is the same all the way around?).

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