King 3B doesn't take large or small shank mouthpieces
- blomuto
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Hi everyone, I just purchased a King 3B concert off ebay in pretty good condition, and my Bach 6 1/2 AL mouthpiece was too small for the receiver, so I bought a Bach 5G with a large shank. Unfortunately, that one doesn't seem to fit right either -- I can barely fit the mouthpiece into the receiver.
Upon further research, I've found what I believe to be the same trombone here:[url]<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.hnwhite.com/store/product/1 ... -sn-360985">https://www.hnwhite.com/store/product/1955-vintage-king-h--n--white-3b-concert-trombone-sn-360985</LINK_TEXT>
This lists the mouthpiece as a C.M. Purviance LA 4Star 1, which seems to be much more expensive than other alternatives. I'm sure it's a great mouthpiece, but I'd like to find something more in my budget.
Has anybody else had a problem like this? Is this just an incompatibility between King and Bach? I appreciate any help or recommendations I can get :mrgreen:
Upon further research, I've found what I believe to be the same trombone here:
This lists the mouthpiece as a C.M. Purviance LA 4Star 1, which seems to be much more expensive than other alternatives. I'm sure it's a great mouthpiece, but I'd like to find something more in my budget.
Has anybody else had a problem like this? Is this just an incompatibility between King and Bach? I appreciate any help or recommendations I can get :mrgreen:
- BGuttman
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- Joined: Mar 22, 2018
The 3B should take a small shank mouthpiece. It used to come with a King M31, then a 12C, then a 7C. All standard small shank mouthpieces.
It sounds like someone has removed the leadpipe from yours. Have a tech check it out.
It sounds like someone has removed the leadpipe from yours. Have a tech check it out.
- Doldom
- Posts: 139
- Joined: May 12, 2018
If you pull out original two piece leadpipe out then it would be too large for small shank mouthpieces and small(barely fits) for large shank mouthpiece. I also vote for leadpipe check. It may be leadpipe-less setting or modified leadpipe that accomodates medium shank mouthpieces.
- Doug_Elliott
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Correct, it sounds like there's no leadpipe in it.
- Slidehamilton
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- Joined: May 05, 2018
Or the pipe is really worn down. The new King pipes are very good. You could put a new lead pipe in it, if the old one will come out.
- Doug_Elliott
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The slide tube with no leadpipe is .508, which exactly agrees with a large shank "barely fit the mouthpiece into the receiver."
There isn't a receiver right now. Get a leadpipe.
There isn't a receiver right now. Get a leadpipe.
- greenbean
- Posts: 1958
- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
The body of the leadpipe might be in there. But the receiver part of the leadpipe is missing. I would have a new, stock 3B pipe installed. It's a good leadpipe and an easy fix for a good tech.
- blomuto
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Thanks everyone! I'll find a repair person and see if they agree with everyone's assessments. If you happen to know a good tech in the NYC area, please let me know!
- harrisonreed
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FWIW, my 3B ended up having a one piece pipe in it -- not all 3Bs are the two piece type.
- OneTon
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[quote="harrisonreed"]FWIW, my 3B ended up having a one piece pipe in it -- not all 3Bs are the two piece type.[/quote]
Please educate me. I thought all leadpipes were one piece.
Please educate me. I thought all leadpipes were one piece.
- Burgerbob
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[quote="OneTon"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="249796" time="1722812627" user_id="3642">
FWIW, my 3B ended up having a one piece pipe in it -- not all 3Bs are the two piece type.[/quote]
Please educate me. I thought all leadpipes were one piece.
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Many Kings have two-piece leadpipes, with a separate receiver and venturi. King 3Bs had single piece leadpipes up until the '60s?
Two piece on the left, one piece on the right.
FWIW, my 3B ended up having a one piece pipe in it -- not all 3Bs are the two piece type.[/quote]
Please educate me. I thought all leadpipes were one piece.
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Many Kings have two-piece leadpipes, with a separate receiver and venturi. King 3Bs had single piece leadpipes up until the '60s?
Two piece on the left, one piece on the right.
- WGWTR180
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[quote="blomuto"]Thanks everyone! I'll find a repair person and see if they agree with everyone's assessments. If you happen to know a good tech in the NYC area, please let me know![/quote]
Well there are several.
Well there are several.
- harrisonreed
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They had the One Piece thru the 60's at least, I think.
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- pbone3b
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[quote="blomuto"]Thanks everyone! I'll find a repair person and see if they agree with everyone's assessments. If you happen to know a good tech in the NYC area, please let me know![/quote]
Josh Landress
38 W 32nd St Suite 908, New York, NY 10001
https://www.jlandressbrass.com/
Josh Landress
38 W 32nd St Suite 908, New York, NY 10001
https://www.jlandressbrass.com/