Salome 4th bone. Contra?
- Bach5G
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Experienced Salome in Vienna this evening.
Is the 4th bone a contra part?
Is the 4th bone a contra part?
- MahlerMusic
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I would say Bass Trombone but I would pull out the contra if I could still get the sound I wanted...
<LINK_TEXT text="https://musaic.nws.edu/videos/opera-exc ... -siegfried">https://musaic.nws.edu/videos/opera-excerpts-otello-salome-siegfried</LINK_TEXT>
I changed my mine after this Great Post: Bass all the way.
<LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?t=27806">https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=27806</LINK_TEXT>
Changed again... so much information. I would not blame anyone for using a contra. I know If I only played my contra when it is really called for, I would never get to play it.
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.vsl.info/en/academy/brass/c ... s-trombone">https://www.vsl.info/en/academy/brass/contrabass-trombone</LINK_TEXT>
<LINK_TEXT text="https://musaic.nws.edu/videos/opera-exc ... -siegfried">https://musaic.nws.edu/videos/opera-excerpts-otello-salome-siegfried</LINK_TEXT>
I changed my mine after this Great Post: Bass all the way.
<LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?t=27806">https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=27806</LINK_TEXT>
Changed again... so much information. I would not blame anyone for using a contra. I know If I only played my contra when it is really called for, I would never get to play it.
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.vsl.info/en/academy/brass/c ... s-trombone">https://www.vsl.info/en/academy/brass/contrabass-trombone</LINK_TEXT>
- Posaunus
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[quote="MahlerMusic"]• <LINK_TEXT text="https://musaic.nws.edu/videos/opera-exc ... -siegfried">https://musaic.nws.edu/videos/opera-excerpts-otello-salome-siegfried</LINK_TEXT>
• <LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?t=27806">https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=27806</LINK_TEXT>
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Great information in both of these links.
• Makes me realize that I never could have made a career of being a bass trombonist!
• Tiffany's post is very insightful. Would like to know the real story of Strauss's relationship with "his" trombonists.
In any case, it's pretty clearly not a contrabass trombone part.
• <LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?t=27806">https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=27806</LINK_TEXT>
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Great information in both of these links.
• Makes me realize that I never could have made a career of being a bass trombonist!
• Tiffany's post is very insightful. Would like to know the real story of Strauss's relationship with "his" trombonists.
In any case, it's pretty clearly not a contrabass trombone part.
- u_2bobone
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I played excerpts from "Salome" around 1968 in the NSO with Inge Borkh, the incredible German operatic soprano. The part was easily played on a regular bass trombone. I still have a "pirated" tape of it about somewhere.
- Finetales
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Definitely not a contra part. Like Alpensinfonie, it's one of those parts that people will sometimes play on contra because they get doubling pay, because the conductor wants it, or just because they can. If I had spent big bucks on a contra, I would definitely be looking for every possible opportunity to use it, so I get it! But it's not meant for that instrument - IIRC Elektra is the only time Strauss actually wrote for contra.
- Matt_K
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[quote="Finetales"]Definitely not a contra part. Like Alpensinfonie, it's one of those parts that people will sometimes play on contra because they get doubling pay, because the conductor wants it, or just because they can. If I had spent big bucks on a contra, I would definitely be looking for every possible opportunity to use it, so I get it! But it's not meant for that instrument - IIRC Elektra is the only time Strauss actually wrote for contra.[/quote]
If I had a contra, I’d pull it out for 4th bone on In the Mood :idea:
If I had a contra, I’d pull it out for 4th bone on In the Mood :idea:
- sf105
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[quote="Finetales"]But it's not meant for that instrument - IIRC Elektra is the only time Strauss actually wrote for contra.[/quote]
That's what Ed Solomons says too.
I've just done the Alpine and, much as I was tempted to crank up the contra, it would have been the wrong decision.
S
That's what Ed Solomons says too.
I've just done the Alpine and, much as I was tempted to crank up the contra, it would have been the wrong decision.
S
- Posaunus
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[quote="Matt K"]If I had a contra, I’d pull it out for 4th bone on In the Mood :idea:[/quote]
Please don't Matt! :horror:
That would be a bit like using a pedal steel guitar in a Vivaldi concerto.
Please don't Matt! :horror:
That would be a bit like using a pedal steel guitar in a Vivaldi concerto.
- Finetales
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[quote="Posaunus"]That would be a bit like using a pedal steel guitar in a Vivaldi concerto.[/quote]
Well now I want to hear that!
Well now I want to hear that!
- GabrielRice
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[quote="Posaunus"]That would be a bit like using a pedal steel guitar in a Vivaldi concerto.[/quote]
I'd want to hear that too!
Just last weekend I did a pair of concerts with Bela Fleck playing Rhapsody in Blue in his arrangement for solo banjo with the standard orchestra parts behind him...he was AWESOME.
I'd want to hear that too!
Just last weekend I did a pair of concerts with Bela Fleck playing Rhapsody in Blue in his arrangement for solo banjo with the standard orchestra parts behind him...he was AWESOME.