What leadpipes do you use with your large bore tenor?
- mrdeacon
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Hi everyone!
What leadpipes do you use with your large bore tenor?
I’m very familiar with bass trombone leadpipes but I’ve never really messed around with large bore tenor pipes. The old Bach 42B I played in college had the original pipe and I never bothered to get it pulled.
For my R4 I’ve got a 41B pipe and a 5 pipe. One seems pretty tight and the other is super open. I think I want to find something in the middle.
Do you have any favorites? I’m definitely curious about the new O’Maley pipes.
Extra points if you have any recommendations for replica pipes from MK Drawing, Brass Ark or O’Maley.
What leadpipes do you use with your large bore tenor?
I’m very familiar with bass trombone leadpipes but I’ve never really messed around with large bore tenor pipes. The old Bach 42B I played in college had the original pipe and I never bothered to get it pulled.
For my R4 I’ve got a 41B pipe and a 5 pipe. One seems pretty tight and the other is super open. I think I want to find something in the middle.
Do you have any favorites? I’m definitely curious about the new O’Maley pipes.
Extra points if you have any recommendations for replica pipes from MK Drawing, Brass Ark or O’Maley.
- muschem
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I haven't tried any of the O'Malley pipes yet, but I've enjoyed a sterling bell flare they made, so I'm sure their pipes are also great. I have spent time on several 42 replica pipes of different makes and in different materials. I generally prefer the Brad Close / Brass Ark variants to MK Drawing's, but I've run across a couple setups where the MK pipes seem to work best. For me, the "open" versions of the 42 pipe work better than the tighter 42 models, with the former feeling closer to a Shires/Edwards #2, and the latter feeling somewhere in the #1 - #1.5 range. That said, what's in my large tenor right now is Brad Close's version of the Holton TR156, and it is fantastic. These are under-appreciated pipes, imo - they thread a very fine needle between the regular 42 and the 42 open, and for me, they strike just the right balance. I favor the seamed versions Brad makes, but I also really like nickel pipes in most of my setups.
- Bach5G
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Butler is offering carbon fibre lead pipes.
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- MStarke
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I play three different variants of the 88h as large tenor (Elkhart, modern 88ht, Greenhoe 88ht) and currently play all of them with the standard leadpipe. Onr of my slides has exchangeable leadpipes and I played around with that a bit. played the MK Drawing GR tenor in bronze for a while, but came back to the standard Conn leadpipe. It just felt most natural to the horn and obviously easiest to create that specific 88h sound.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Merry Christmas everyone!
- Crazy4Tbone86
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My favorites for large bore tenor are:
*Shires 2 in yellow brass
*Shires 2.5 long in yellow brass
*Shires 2.5 in yellow brass
*Getzen/Edwards 2 in Sterling Silver (Alessi)
*Kanstul Bach 42 Mount Vernon
*Kanstul Minick Legit
*Brad Close/BrassArk Bach 42O in seamed yellow brass (1.5 inches longer than their normal Bach 42O)
The Brad Close/BrassArk is my favorite. It works magic on many of my Bach 42 horns.
The Shires and BrassArk listed above work best on my Bach horns and my Benge 190. The Getzen/Edwards matches well with my Edwards components. The Kanstul leadpipes work well with my Conn 8H/88H components.
*Shires 2 in yellow brass
*Shires 2.5 long in yellow brass
*Shires 2.5 in yellow brass
*Getzen/Edwards 2 in Sterling Silver (Alessi)
*Kanstul Bach 42 Mount Vernon
*Kanstul Minick Legit
*Brad Close/BrassArk Bach 42O in seamed yellow brass (1.5 inches longer than their normal Bach 42O)
The Brad Close/BrassArk is my favorite. It works magic on many of my Bach 42 horns.
The Shires and BrassArk listed above work best on my Bach horns and my Benge 190. The Getzen/Edwards matches well with my Edwards components. The Kanstul leadpipes work well with my Conn 8H/88H components.
- harrisonreed
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Silver Alessi pipe
- hyperbolica
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I converted my Elkhart 88h to threaded pipes. I've just been using one of the stock Conn pipes that comes with the SL4747. They're cheap, but pretty good pipes. Any of the fancy pipes I've tried haven't been an improvement.
- hyperbolica
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I converted my Elkhart 88h to threaded pipes. I've just been using one of the stock Conn pipes that comes with the SL4747. They're cheap, but pretty good pipes. Any of the fancy pipes I've tried haven't been an improvement.
- atopper333
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Just got a Brad Close 8H pipe for morse taper mouthpieces, and had the original Remington taper pipe fitted for press fit. They are quite remarkable. Couldn’t be happier.
Also had the Blessing pipe on a .525 slide pulled and am using a Brad Close 36MV pipe with an Elkhart 88H bell…man did that really open up that horn!
Also had the Blessing pipe on a .525 slide pulled and am using a Brad Close 36MV pipe with an Elkhart 88H bell…man did that really open up that horn!
- Kdanielsen
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Silver Alessi t2 for me
- MrHCinDE
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Another silver Alessi T2 user here, 95% of the time, otherwise occasionally a Bach 42 LO.
- MTbassbone
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Edwards sterling silver ET on tenor and customized B2 on bass.
- Kdanielsen
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[quote="MTbassbone"]Edwards sterling silver ET on tenor and customized B2 on bass.[/quote]
I think the ET is the same as the Alessi t2 (rebranded for obvious reasons). Pretty sure that’s what someone at Edwards told me.
I think the ET is the same as the Alessi t2 (rebranded for obvious reasons). Pretty sure that’s what someone at Edwards told me.
- MTbassbone
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[quote="Kdanielsen"]<QUOTE author="MTbassbone" post_id="262332" time="1735129472" user_id="3107">
Edwards sterling silver ET on tenor and customized B2 on bass.[/quote]
I think the ET is the same as the Alessi t2 (rebranded for obvious reasons). Pretty sure that’s what someone at Edwards told me.
</QUOTE>
Interesting. Hadn't heard that. Works for me.
Edwards sterling silver ET on tenor and customized B2 on bass.[/quote]
I think the ET is the same as the Alessi t2 (rebranded for obvious reasons). Pretty sure that’s what someone at Edwards told me.
</QUOTE>
Interesting. Hadn't heard that. Works for me.
- CalgaryTbone
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Not sure exactly what the ET is, but the Alessi pipe that was sold for the T350's and the one that comes with the T396A and now AR are different. The new pipes are much shorter, maybe to make up for a bit more resistance from the more traditional valves, rather than thayers. Anyway, both are good - I used the older version with my T350, and now use the newer version with my T396AR. Some people don't realize that the pipe is removable on the AR (not on the A) because they use a smooth finish on the mouthpiece receiver area of that pipe vs. the rougher finish with the grooves that help identify whether it's a #1,2, or 3.
Anyway - I'm loving the sterling Artist leadpipe that comes with the T396AR.
Jim Scott
(off-topic - Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah everyone!)
Anyway - I'm loving the sterling Artist leadpipe that comes with the T396AR.
Jim Scott
(off-topic - Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah everyone!)
- harrisonreed
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I heard the the 396-A pipe is actually a removable pipe, but that they solder it after it is threaded in. I haven't been brave enough to test out that claim.
- Jimkinkella
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The brassark seamed copper leadpipes are pretty awesome.
They feel super flexible to play, and at least to me sound a little more ‘interesting’.
They feel super flexible to play, and at least to me sound a little more ‘interesting’.
- MTbassbone
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- Joined: Apr 21, 2018
[quote="CalgaryTbone"]Not sure exactly what the ET is[/quote]
Enzo Turriziani from the Vienna Philharmonic. It's the leadpipe that comes on the Getzen 4047ET.
Enzo Turriziani from the Vienna Philharmonic. It's the leadpipe that comes on the Getzen 4047ET.
- although
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The only slide I've got with a removable lead pipe is an SL6262, and I don't have a bell section to go with it... Everything else has a soldered-in lead pipe. I suspect that this is why I always tend to go back to the mouthpiece that originally shipped with the horn. I've tried more than a few, but none of them were an overall improvement. Honestly, I'm kind of happy to not have the choice. I feel like that's a rabbit hole that I just don't have to worry about falling into :)
- CalgaryTbone
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[quote="MTbassbone"]<QUOTE author="CalgaryTbone" post_id="262354" time="1735144195" user_id="3262">
Not sure exactly what the ET is[/quote]
Enzo Turriziani from the Vienna Philharmonic. It's the leadpipe that comes on the Getzen 4047ET.
</QUOTE>
Thanks - that makes sense!
JS
Not sure exactly what the ET is[/quote]
Enzo Turriziani from the Vienna Philharmonic. It's the leadpipe that comes on the Getzen 4047ET.
</QUOTE>
Thanks - that makes sense!
JS
- OMalleyBrassInstruments
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[quote="mrdeacon"]Hi everyone!
What leadpipes do you use with your large bore tenor?
I’m very familiar with bass trombone leadpipes but I’ve never really messed around with large bore tenor pipes. The old Bach 42B I played in college had the original pipe and I never bothered to get it pulled.
For my R4 I’ve got a 41B pipe and a 5 pipe. One seems pretty tight and the other is super open. I think I want to find something in the middle.
Do you have any favorites? I’m definitely curious about the new O’Maley pipes.
Extra points if you have any recommendations for replica pipes from MK Drawing, Brass Ark or O’Maley.[/quote]
You might like our 88H pipe (pretty middle of the road in terms of venturi and taper) or the Minick.
[url]<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/l ... -assembly
">https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/large-bore-trombone-leadpipe-assembly
</LINK_TEXT>
What leadpipes do you use with your large bore tenor?
I’m very familiar with bass trombone leadpipes but I’ve never really messed around with large bore tenor pipes. The old Bach 42B I played in college had the original pipe and I never bothered to get it pulled.
For my R4 I’ve got a 41B pipe and a 5 pipe. One seems pretty tight and the other is super open. I think I want to find something in the middle.
Do you have any favorites? I’m definitely curious about the new O’Maley pipes.
Extra points if you have any recommendations for replica pipes from MK Drawing, Brass Ark or O’Maley.[/quote]
You might like our 88H pipe (pretty middle of the road in terms of venturi and taper) or the Minick.
">https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/large-bore-trombone-leadpipe-assembly
</LINK_TEXT>
- johntarr
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[quote="Jimkinkella"]The brassark seamed copper leadpipes are pretty awesome.
They feel super flexible to play, and at least to me sound a little more ‘interesting’.[/quote]
I second this.
I recently got a used MV 42, seamed copper and it added some depth to the low/mid range, made articulation easier in the high range and slightly added color overall.
They feel super flexible to play, and at least to me sound a little more ‘interesting’.[/quote]
I second this.
I recently got a used MV 42, seamed copper and it added some depth to the low/mid range, made articulation easier in the high range and slightly added color overall.
- bubba7753
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- Joined: Mar 23, 2018
This is all subjective. Is there a noticeable difference in replacing a lead pipe or slide crook?
- atopper333
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[quote="bubba7753"]This is all subjective. Is there a noticeable difference in replacing a lead pipe or slide crook?[/quote]
No, I wouldn’t say it is subjective, how much difference in feedback to the player is where the subjectivity lies. For me, it isn’t so much sound as player feedback.
In some ways it is not subjective, but measurable. If these things didn’t make a difference we wouldn’t need to differentiate between student and professional models, a King 606 would sound or play as good as a 2/3B.
The Blessing leadpipe I mentioned in my original post is almost twice as heavy at the 36 leadpipe that replaced it, and that doesn’t even take into account the Venturi or inner measurements of the pipe. The difference in constriction while playing is very noticeable.
Haven’t played to much with end crooks, so I’ll leave that one alone…
No, I wouldn’t say it is subjective, how much difference in feedback to the player is where the subjectivity lies. For me, it isn’t so much sound as player feedback.
In some ways it is not subjective, but measurable. If these things didn’t make a difference we wouldn’t need to differentiate between student and professional models, a King 606 would sound or play as good as a 2/3B.
The Blessing leadpipe I mentioned in my original post is almost twice as heavy at the 36 leadpipe that replaced it, and that doesn’t even take into account the Venturi or inner measurements of the pipe. The difference in constriction while playing is very noticeable.
Haven’t played to much with end crooks, so I’ll leave that one alone…
- bubba7753
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I am interested in leadpipes for Bach 42. Any info is appreciated.
- tbdana
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This discussion and others like it are fascinating to me. I have never changed a leadpipe. I just play whatever comes with the horn. My Greenhoe 50B came with two leadpipes, and I just picked one at random and have never changed. I'm not sure I could tell the difference, and I have no knowledge about leadpipes, at all.
I am thinking of experimenting with the leadpipe on my Bach 16M, simply because so many people have said they thought it improved the horn. But I wouldn't have the slightest idea where to start, and I note that no one can say how a particular leadpipe affects a horn, so it's all a big mystery, to me.
Carry on! We now return you to your regular program, already in progress...
I am thinking of experimenting with the leadpipe on my Bach 16M, simply because so many people have said they thought it improved the horn. But I wouldn't have the slightest idea where to start, and I note that no one can say how a particular leadpipe affects a horn, so it's all a big mystery, to me.
Carry on! We now return you to your regular program, already in progress...
- Kbiggs
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[quote="bubba7753"]I am interested in leadpipes for Bach 42. Any info is appreciated.[/quote]
I have an MK Drawing and Bending 42 pipe for sale: <LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?t=38107">https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=38107</LINK_TEXT>
I have an MK Drawing and Bending 42 pipe for sale: <LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?t=38107">https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=38107</LINK_TEXT>
- Kbiggs
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I’m currently playing a Bach 47 (Anniversary model 42) leadpipe. Classic 42 sound and response.
I’m experimenting with an MK 42 in nickel, and a Shires #2L in sterling. The MK 42N is kind of like a stock 42 with more muscle. The #2L has a very even feeling to it. It’s a little “stiffer” than other leadpipes, but it really projects. The jury is still out.
I’m experimenting with an MK 42 in nickel, and a Shires #2L in sterling. The MK 42N is kind of like a stock 42 with more muscle. The #2L has a very even feeling to it. It’s a little “stiffer” than other leadpipes, but it really projects. The jury is still out.