Rita Payes Equipment?
- andersonmark56
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Does anyone know what type of trombone/mouthpiece combination the Spanish trombonist Rita Payes uses? Her sound (especially in her early work) was sublime. I'm not so interested in the mouthpiece but any info would be appreciated!
- fiddlefestival
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I cannot tell trombones apart, only cue off the counterweight and that looks like Kühnl & Hoyer to me, as Aidan said as well. But for the experts among you, here are two full concert videos in high quality tone and resolution from which you may glean more information. I'd be interested to know more. The NPR video is from last year, the WDR Big Band concert from 4 years ago (she was probably 21 around that time) although only posted last year. I love her 2024 album, De Camino Al Camino, which smoothly transitioned between many genres and textures, string quartet, jazz big band.
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- andersonmark56
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Many thanks to both of you!
- claf
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That's definitely a K&H.
Seeing the counterweight and the ergonomic handbrace, it's probably a Edith, .525 bore.
The BvL .480/.488 has the same counterweight but not the ergonomic handbrace.
But that's only if it's a stock trombone.
Seeing the counterweight and the ergonomic handbrace, it's probably a Edith, .525 bore.
The BvL .480/.488 has the same counterweight but not the ergonomic handbrace.
But that's only if it's a stock trombone.
- andersonmark56
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Thank you!
- fiddlefestival
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[quote="claf"]That's definitely a K&H.
Seeing the counterweight and the ergonomic handbrace, it's probably a Edith, .525 bore.
The BvL .480/.488 has the same counterweight but not the ergonomic handbrace.
But that's only if it's a stock trombone.[/quote]
The Edith, really? K&H management must be asleep. Here is the one trombonist in the world that draws large new audiences and could sell more instruments than any other. Rita Payes has probably 1000 listeners for each Bart van Lier listener, the one signature instrument K&H sells. Even years ago should have been an obvious move to get her a signature instruments.
Seeing the counterweight and the ergonomic handbrace, it's probably a Edith, .525 bore.
The BvL .480/.488 has the same counterweight but not the ergonomic handbrace.
But that's only if it's a stock trombone.[/quote]
The Edith, really? K&H management must be asleep. Here is the one trombonist in the world that draws large new audiences and could sell more instruments than any other. Rita Payes has probably 1000 listeners for each Bart van Lier listener, the one signature instrument K&H sells. Even years ago should have been an obvious move to get her a signature instruments.
- Fidbone
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The K&H Edith model is a recent addition and was designed with and for Nils Wogram!
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.kuehnl-hoyer.de/en/bb-tenor ... versatile/">https://www.kuehnl-hoyer.de/en/bb-tenor-trombone-edith-very-flexible-and-versatile/</LINK_TEXT>
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.kuehnl-hoyer.de/en/bb-tenor ... versatile/">https://www.kuehnl-hoyer.de/en/bb-tenor-trombone-edith-very-flexible-and-versatile/</LINK_TEXT>
- Bach5G
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The Edith model according to K&H:
“The Bb tenor trombone is equipped with a large bell (220 mm) and a nickel silver light weight slide (bore 13.4 mm). This brings great tonal flexibility.”
“The Bb tenor trombone is equipped with a large bell (220 mm) and a nickel silver light weight slide (bore 13.4 mm). This brings great tonal flexibility.”
- Fidbone
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[quote="fiddlefestival"]
The Edith, really? K&H management must be asleep. Here is the one trombonist in the world that draws large new audiences and could sell more instruments than any other. Rita Payes has probably 1000 listeners for each Bart van Lier listener, the one signature instrument K&H sells. Even years ago should have been an obvious move to get her a signature instruments.[/quote]
FYI Bart Van Lier has been at the top of his game for decades and is one of the most respected trombonists in Europe. He has appeared on thousands of recordings both as a soloist and section leader.
Rita Payes has been around for a heartbeat compared to Bart.
Also Bart has taught many fantastic and now high profile players in Europe for many years.
His affiliation with K&H has led to possibly the biggest sales of their trombones that they’ve had.
Your naivety is somewhat disrespectful to Mr Van Lier I hasten to add <EMOJI seq="1f644" tseq="1f644">🙄</EMOJI>
The Edith, really? K&H management must be asleep. Here is the one trombonist in the world that draws large new audiences and could sell more instruments than any other. Rita Payes has probably 1000 listeners for each Bart van Lier listener, the one signature instrument K&H sells. Even years ago should have been an obvious move to get her a signature instruments.[/quote]
FYI Bart Van Lier has been at the top of his game for decades and is one of the most respected trombonists in Europe. He has appeared on thousands of recordings both as a soloist and section leader.
Rita Payes has been around for a heartbeat compared to Bart.
Also Bart has taught many fantastic and now high profile players in Europe for many years.
His affiliation with K&H has led to possibly the biggest sales of their trombones that they’ve had.
Your naivety is somewhat disrespectful to Mr Van Lier I hasten to add <EMOJI seq="1f644" tseq="1f644">🙄</EMOJI>
- Doug_Elliott
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Agree about Bart 100%
But I''ve never liked those BvL models.
So "Edith" is .527 bore, 8 5/8" bell. I'd love to try one.
But I''ve never liked those BvL models.
So "Edith" is .527 bore, 8 5/8" bell. I'd love to try one.
- JohnL
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[quote="fiddlefestival"]Even years ago should have been an obvious move to get her a signature instruments.[/quote]
Maybe they tried and she wasn't interested? She doesn't appear on their featured artist page.
Maybe they tried and she wasn't interested? She doesn't appear on their featured artist page.
- Fidbone
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[quote="Doug Elliott"]Agree about Bart 100%
But I''ve never liked those BvL models.
So "Edith" is .527 bore, 8 5/8" bell. I'd love to try one.[/quote]
Me too, Nils Wogram sounds incredible on his Edith, but then he’d sound fantastic on a hose pipe too. <EMOJI seq="1f923" tseq="1f923">🤣</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f92a" tseq="1f92a">🤪</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f60e" tseq="1f60e">😎</EMOJI>
But I''ve never liked those BvL models.
So "Edith" is .527 bore, 8 5/8" bell. I'd love to try one.[/quote]
Me too, Nils Wogram sounds incredible on his Edith, but then he’d sound fantastic on a hose pipe too. <EMOJI seq="1f923" tseq="1f923">🤣</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f92a" tseq="1f92a">🤪</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f60e" tseq="1f60e">😎</EMOJI>
- claf
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I want so bad to try a medium bore, I'm almost tempted to buy an Edith :twisted:
- MStarke
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Overall Kühnl and Hoyer does have quite a successful artist approach, at least when looking at their primary market in Central Europe.
Their list includes not only Bart van Lier and Nils Wogram, but also Branimir Slokar (the Slokar trombone line is pretty successful!), others from the Slokar quartet, multiple other trombonists well-known in Germany, Malte Burba and Till Broenner from the trumpet world. Not too bad.
https://www.kuehnl-hoyer.de/kuenstler/
Their list includes not only Bart van Lier and Nils Wogram, but also Branimir Slokar (the Slokar trombone line is pretty successful!), others from the Slokar quartet, multiple other trombonists well-known in Germany, Malte Burba and Till Broenner from the trumpet world. Not too bad.
https://www.kuehnl-hoyer.de/kuenstler/