NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
- Blabberbucket
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Around Christmastime last year, one Mr. Charlie Vernon was generous enough to lend us at O'Malley his prized NY 50 trombone (NY 50 bell and tuning slide, Shires axials, modern Bach 562/578 slide with fixed leadpipe). As you might imagine, the instrument plays beautifully - rich sound and extremely responsive.
We took a resin mold of the inside of the bell and many many many many measurements. From those measurements (and accounting for the idiosyncrasies of the spinning process), we have made a bell mandrel based on this bell.
We are now accepting orders for bells spun on this mandrel, typically one piece bells with a french bead, made with traditional techniques.
More information can be found at <LINK_TEXT text="https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/b ... bone-bells">https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/bass-trombone-bells</LINK_TEXT>, via email at <EMAIL email="Orders@OmalleyHorns.com">Orders@OmalleyHorns.com</EMAIL>, or I am happy to answer any questions here on the forum. Note that the photos on our webpage are of a tenor bell, we do not have a fully polished bass bell available for photos yet.
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We took a resin mold of the inside of the bell and many many many many measurements. From those measurements (and accounting for the idiosyncrasies of the spinning process), we have made a bell mandrel based on this bell.
We are now accepting orders for bells spun on this mandrel, typically one piece bells with a french bead, made with traditional techniques.
More information can be found at <LINK_TEXT text="https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/b ... bone-bells">https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/bass-trombone-bells</LINK_TEXT>, via email at <EMAIL email="Orders@OmalleyHorns.com">Orders@OmalleyHorns.com</EMAIL>, or I am happy to answer any questions here on the forum. Note that the photos on our webpage are of a tenor bell, we do not have a fully polished bass bell available for photos yet.
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- tbonesullivan
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Oh WOW. I wonder if anyone has a Conn Fuchs bell they could send you.
- Rrova
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This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.
- bassbone1993
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Interesting, I didn't know Bach made .562/.578 slides
- MahlerMusic
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Is the slide long like the Bach's from the 70's? Would love to try a dual Bore long slide with my Minick G ContraBass.
- tbonesullivan
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[quote="Rrova"]This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.[/quote] This reminds me that there's a Silver Plated Bach 50 customized bass from the George Thatcher collection at Horn Guys that he had silver plated to make the bell a bit thicker. If I recall, the Bach process for 1 piece bells results in quite a bit of stretching of the brass.
- Burgerbob
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[quote="bassbone1993"]Interesting, I didn't know Bach made .562/.578 slides[/quote]
They do not. As in, it's a one-off for him.
They do not. As in, it's a one-off for him.
- bassbone1993
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[quote="Burgerbob"]<QUOTE author="bassbone1993" post_id="272101" time="1743790885" user_id="16272">
Interesting, I didn't know Bach made .562/.578 slides[/quote]
They do not. As in, it's a one-off for him.
</QUOTE>
That's what I suspected. Surprised they haven't done it since I believe Conn makes a dual bore slide.
Interesting, I didn't know Bach made .562/.578 slides[/quote]
They do not. As in, it's a one-off for him.
</QUOTE>
That's what I suspected. Surprised they haven't done it since I believe Conn makes a dual bore slide.
- bassbone1993
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I'll be doing a bass build next year. I had planned an Edwards, but now I'm having second thoughts...especially if they could do a reversed tuning slide.
- elmsandr
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[quote="tbonesullivan"]Oh WOW. I wonder if anyone has a Conn Fuchs bell they could send you.[/quote]
/waggles eyebrows suggestively
But seriously, I do have one downstairs…. We should talk!
Cheers,
Andy
/waggles eyebrows suggestively
But seriously, I do have one downstairs…. We should talk!
Cheers,
Andy
- HawaiiTromboneGuy
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[quote="Burgerbob"]to no-one's surprise, I bought one already[/quote]
lol that was quick!
lol that was quick!
- Blabberbucket
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[quote="Rrova"]This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.[/quote]
Yup, it should be about as close as you could get to Charlie's bell. The nature of spinning a one-piece bells that large generally results in a very thin flare.
The modern Bach bells are made using a different process.
[quote="MahlerMusic"]Is the slide long like the Bach's from the 70's? Would love to try a dual Bore long slide with my Minick G ContraBass.[/quote]
The outer tubes were approximately 27" long. Seems to be the same as a modern Bach.
Thanks, Aidan!
Yup, it should be about as close as you could get to Charlie's bell. The nature of spinning a one-piece bells that large generally results in a very thin flare.
The modern Bach bells are made using a different process.
[quote="MahlerMusic"]Is the slide long like the Bach's from the 70's? Would love to try a dual Bore long slide with my Minick G ContraBass.[/quote]
The outer tubes were approximately 27" long. Seems to be the same as a modern Bach.
Thanks, Aidan!
- Rrova
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[quote="Blabberbucket"]<QUOTE author="Rrova" post_id="272100" time="1743790359" user_id="3034">
This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.[/quote]
Yup, it should be about as close as you could get to Charlie's bell. The nature of spinning a one-piece bells that large generally results in a very thin flare.
The modern Bach bells are made using a different method.
</QUOTE>
Well, time to start saving up!
This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.[/quote]
Yup, it should be about as close as you could get to Charlie's bell. The nature of spinning a one-piece bells that large generally results in a very thin flare.
The modern Bach bells are made using a different method.
</QUOTE>
Well, time to start saving up!