I just bought a used small shank Warburton Rosolino 3 from a friend. It played super nice, slotted really well, popping out high Fs like it was nothing, but the piece is pretty bright. Rim felt like a Bach 11C, but the throat was much more open, while the cup felt shallower than an 11C.

Is the cup really shallower, and is that why it feels brighter? I loved the way it played, but wasn’t thrilled with the brighter sound.

Not sure if I got that right, though, as I had nothing to compare it to. Anyone know about these? What’s the general wisdom about this piece?

Now I’m wondering if there’s something very much like this as far as the rim and throat go, but has a deeper cup?

I also bought one of the Rosolino mouthpieces - I think also number 3 - mostly out of curiosity.

I have not played it for a while, but I think I found the rim a bit too sharp and sound-wise too bright for tenor. The cup is pretty shallow so that's probably it. Basically same impression as yours.

Rim and throat are pretty close as most mouthpieces in the 11c size. So plenty of options to try. But if you change the cup, it will play substantially different.

I also tried it on alto and that could work for some!

I’ve used the original Rosolino a bit in years past as well as a Rosolino 2D (which is a 12 size with a slightly deeper cup). The rim contour is definitely wider, flatter and sharper than a lot of other pieces. I used to have the model mouthpiece that the Rosolino was based on. Bell Air 43 I believe. It was very similar in dimensions with the rim being flat and wide. The sharper bite does take some getting used to but it provides you with really quick and clean articulations.

The piece is definitely quite bright but it works really well in a lot of small bore settings when you get used to it. It’s also much less bright on a gig than it is in a practice room I found. Hope that helps.

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Terry Warburton is a custom mouthpiece maker...you could ask him to make a variation on it.

You also might try one of his other mouthpieces...looks like a 14M might get in the neighborhood you're after.

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Or an 11 or 12 in the one-piece line

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Being that I have known Terry for many years, and also worked for him, I can tell you about this mouthpiece. The mouthpiece that Frank was playing on when Terry copied it was a custom Conn mouthpiece made for Frank. As the story goes, Terry went to see Frank play in Toronto. Terry offered Frank to make a copy of his mouthpiece and Frank took him up on it. After Terry made the piece, Frank went back and forth between the Conn, and the newly made copy. Frank said you are right this mouthpiece plays every bit as good as mine, and just to show you that I will play it, I'll give you mine. This is the original Ros piece. It:s about a 15C in diameter with as you guys said, a rather flat wide rim. The throat is 1/4". A far cry from a standard 11C size throat.

Terry knew that diameter was too small for most players, so he made two larger versions. One like a 12C in diameter (the Ros 2) and one like an 11C (the Ros 3). All of them with 1/4" throats.

[quote="tbdana"]Is the cup really shallower, and is that why it feels brighter? I loved the way it played, but wasn’t thrilled with the brighter sound.

Not sure if I got that right, though, as I had nothing to compare it to. Anyone know about these? What’s the general wisdom about this piece?

Now I’m wondering if there’s something very much like this as far as the rim and throat go, but has a deeper cup?[/quote]

That cup is EXTREMELY shallow. When I tried all the Warburtons at ETW 2013 and subsequently bought a couple, the Rosolino 3 was one of the ones I tried. It has a hilarious high range, but I wanted something a little less incendiary and settled on a 2-piece 8S/4*, with a nice round 4G-sized rim and a very shallow cup that's not as shallow as the Rosolino.

[quote="lmalewic"]I used to have the model mouthpiece that the Rosolino was based on. Bell Air 43 I believe. It was very similar in dimensions with the rim being flat and wide.[/quote]

I have a Bellaire 41. It is absolutely TINY, smaller than a Schilke 42 at around 23.3mm ID. It does have the wide, flat rim, and at that size is not very good or comfortable. But it's interesting!

I have a 'Bell Air Rite Cup 43' which measures the same as my Schilke 40B at 22.50 ID.