New dependent basses?
- bigbandbone
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My trusty TR180 is starting to wear out<EMOJI seq="2639" tseq="2639">☹️</EMOJI> Is any maker or manufacturer making a double valve dependent set up in Bb/F/flat E tuning?
- hornbuilder
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I (M&W Custom Trombones) can certainly do that.
- MahlerMusic
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[quote="bigbandbone"]Is any maker or manufacturer making a double valve dependent set up in Bb/F/flat E tuning?[/quote]
I think I speak for everyone!!!
J/K but Why??? I think the cons of Independent setups are a mute point now a days.
I think I speak for everyone!!!
J/K but Why??? I think the cons of Independent setups are a mute point now a days.
- bassbone1993
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As far as I know, Shires and Greenhoe also do dependent sections as well.
- Burgerbob
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I'm not sure Shires still does. I haven't seen one since the 2000s.
- MStarke
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You will get dependent sections from many different makers still today, including the big companies like Conn, Bach (not totally sure?) and Yamaha. But especially the smaller workshops can offer this.
But if you REALLY want it in that tuning, you will probably have to go to someone like Matt/M&W. Some of the small/medium companies like Greenhoe, Kühnl & Hoyer etc. might perhaps also offer it, but it will certainly be custom and take time. Or buy another Holton. Or buy some other dependent horn and have it customized.
But if you REALLY want it in that tuning, you will probably have to go to someone like Matt/M&W. Some of the small/medium companies like Greenhoe, Kühnl & Hoyer etc. might perhaps also offer it, but it will certainly be custom and take time. Or buy another Holton. Or buy some other dependent horn and have it customized.
- tbonesullivan
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[quote="bigbandbone"]My trusty TR180 is starting to wear out<EMOJI seq="2639" tseq="2639">☹️</EMOJI> Is any maker or manufacturer making a double valve dependent set up in Bb/F/flat E tuning?[/quote] Flat E tuning for the second valve is definitely something you'll only find on used horns, or a full custom one. Plenty of makers still make Bb/F/Eb tuned dependent horns, but E or flat E was abandoned long ago.
What exactly is wearing out on your Holton?
What exactly is wearing out on your Holton?
- JohnL
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[quote="tbonesullivan"]What exactly is wearing out on your Holton?[/quote]
Just what I was wondering. Pretty everything that would wear out (valves, inner slide tubes, etc.) can be replaced.
Either that or[quote="MStarke"]...buy some other dependent horn and have it customized.[/quote]
Just what I was wondering. Pretty everything that would wear out (valves, inner slide tubes, etc.) can be replaced.
Either that or[quote="MStarke"]...buy some other dependent horn and have it customized.[/quote]
- bassbone1993
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Honestly, if the OP knows what needs to be replaced, I'm sure M&W would be a great fit to replace what's worn out. Assuming that they're not looking for a different another 180.
- WGWTR180
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[quote="JohnL"]<QUOTE author="tbonesullivan" post_id="284211" time="1756135898" user_id="7063">What exactly is wearing out on your Holton?[/quote]
Just what I was wondering. Pretty everything that would wear out (valves, inner slide tubes, etc.) can be replaced.
Replacing "pretty much everything" on a Holton is not as easy as you might think if you want to keep it sounding like a Holton. I've made the mistake of replacing slide tubes with other makers and it completely changes the way the instrument sounds and responds. One needs to choose wisely when changing parts out.
Either that or[quote="MStarke"]...buy some other dependent horn and have it customized.[/quote]
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Just what I was wondering. Pretty everything that would wear out (valves, inner slide tubes, etc.) can be replaced.
Replacing "pretty much everything" on a Holton is not as easy as you might think if you want to keep it sounding like a Holton. I've made the mistake of replacing slide tubes with other makers and it completely changes the way the instrument sounds and responds. One needs to choose wisely when changing parts out.
Either that or[quote="MStarke"]...buy some other dependent horn and have it customized.[/quote]
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- AtomicClock
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[quote="MahlerMusic"]J/K but Why???[/quote]
For the same reason I don't use a Bb/G tenor. Or Celsius.
For the same reason I don't use a Bb/G tenor. Or Celsius.
- MahlerMusic
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lol, you got me.
- harrisonreed
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[quote="Burgerbob"]I'm not sure Shires still does. I haven't seen one since the 2000s.[/quote]
Aren't we still in the 2000's? The 1900's were the entire last century. 1800's the century before that. Shouldn't we call that decade the aughts? The 00's?
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Also, to everyone. I want a dependent bass too. I am with the OP.
Aren't we still in the 2000's? The 1900's were the entire last century. 1800's the century before that. Shouldn't we call that decade the aughts? The 00's?
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Also, to everyone. I want a dependent bass too. I am with the OP.
- GabrielRice
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[quote="Burgerbob"]I'm not sure Shires still does. I haven't seen one since the 2000s.[/quote]
They certainly can. The new Vintage Elkhart bass model was initially made as a dependent for Josh Cirtina.
You can still buy a Bach 50B2 in that tuning. The Yamaha 620G has that tuning as an option.
And there are a lot of used Holton 180s out in the world.
They certainly can. The new Vintage Elkhart bass model was initially made as a dependent for Josh Cirtina.
You can still buy a Bach 50B2 in that tuning. The Yamaha 620G has that tuning as an option.
And there are a lot of used Holton 180s out in the world.
- AtomicClock
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[quote="GabrielRice"]You can still buy a Bach 50B2 in that tuning.[/quote]
Really? 50B2 is not on the bachbrass website.
Really? 50B2 is not on the bachbrass website.
- Kdanielsen
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Just saw a very pretty new Stephen’s dependent bass on Facebook.
- GabrielRice
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[quote="AtomicClock"]<QUOTE author="GabrielRice" post_id="284294" time="1756254277" user_id="102">
You can still buy a Bach 50B2 in that tuning.[/quote]
Really? 50B2 is not on the bachbrass website.
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Huh...you're right. It was the last time I looked. But there are definitely retailers who have them - or at least say they have them.
You can still buy a Bach 50B2 in that tuning.[/quote]
Really? 50B2 is not on the bachbrass website.
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Huh...you're right. It was the last time I looked. But there are definitely retailers who have them - or at least say they have them.
- GabrielRice
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[quote="Kdanielsen"]Just saw a very pretty new Stephen’s dependent bass on Facebook.[/quote]
Yes, Steve recently made two of them to order for Boston-based bass trombonists.
Yes, Steve recently made two of them to order for Boston-based bass trombonists.
- although
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[quote="harrisonreed"]<QUOTE author="Burgerbob" post_id="284209" time="1756135497" user_id="3131">
I'm not sure Shires still does. I haven't seen one since the 2000s.[/quote]
Aren't we still in the 2000's? The 1900's were the entire last century. 1800's the century before that. Shouldn't we call that decade the aughts? The 00's?
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I kind of like "the naughties"
I'm not sure Shires still does. I haven't seen one since the 2000s.[/quote]
Aren't we still in the 2000's? The 1900's were the entire last century. 1800's the century before that. Shouldn't we call that decade the aughts? The 00's?
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I kind of like "the naughties"
- harrisonreed
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[quote="although"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="284237" time="1756167023" user_id="3642">
Aren't we still in the 2000's? The 1900's were the entire last century. 1800's the century before that. Shouldn't we call that decade the aughts? The 00's?
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I kind of like "the naughties"
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That's the UK term, I believe. Noughties
Aren't we still in the 2000's? The 1900's were the entire last century. 1800's the century before that. Shouldn't we call that decade the aughts? The 00's?
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I kind of like "the naughties"
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That's the UK term, I believe. Noughties
- jonathanharker
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I love my B♭/F/D dependent Shires. From my cold dead hands...!
- jonathanharker
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But also, you could probably get a Rath R9D with Rotax or Voigt valves and flat E tuning if you asked them. Can double-plus recommend in-slide tuning as well.
https://www.rathtrombones.com/pages/r9
https://www.rathtrombones.com/pages/r9