Pickett Small Bore mouthpieces
- Aznguyy
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Anyone use them? What do you think? How big of a difference are the cup sizes?
I"m using the 6M on my medium bore and it feels and sounds good but I wonder how the D cup would play.
Thanks!
I"m using the 6M on my medium bore and it feels and sounds good but I wonder how the D cup would play.
Thanks!
- brtnats
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I do. Over the past few years, I’ve ended up with M and S sizes on my bass and large tenor and S/L on small tenor. Never tried a D size, but the difference between M and S is substantial in terms of sound, articulation, and air.
- Rusty
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I’ve had and sold most of the variations in the 6 and 5.5 range, and found the D to be way too deep on small bore, and probably even too deep for .525. It’s really deep! I even found the M depth pretty deep for my .508 and it kind of had a dead high range for me, even though I really like the general sound and feel over the rest of the horn. On small bore, the S depth made most sense. The 6L I tried projected very easily but blew a bit tight. It’s worth checking out the LW blanks too, they feel a little brighter and more responsive.
- Aznguyy
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Agree on all the above. For my small bore, I like the way the M cup plays but S cup has better control of the whole range. despite being a little tighter feeling. On my medium bore the M feels good but still a hair tight so that's why I'm curious about the D cup.
Both cups that I own are also light blank.
Any of you guys find the rims feel bigger than what they say it's suppose to be?
Both cups that I own are also light blank.
Any of you guys find the rims feel bigger than what they say it's suppose to be?
- Kevbach33
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Not a small bore piece, but I've mentioned that my Pickett 1.5S bass bone mouthpiece (standard blank) really feels more like a 1¼G or narrow Schilke 59 with added mass. But, it doesn't feel quite as big as the specs say.
It would be helpful if they had a comparison chart...
It would be helpful if they had a comparison chart...
- Rusty
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[quote="Aznguyy"]Agree on all the above. For my small bore, I like the way the M cup plays but S cup has better control of the whole range. despite being a little tighter feeling. On my medium bore the M feels good but still a hair tight so that's why I'm curious about the D cup.
Both cups that I own are also light blank.
Any of you guys find the rims feel bigger than what they say it's suppose to be?[/quote]
I’ve always felt their small bore pieces feel a size SMALLER than specs. I have both a 7cs and 7rs rim on M and l underparts and they feel very small, more like an 11c size. Same with the 6 rims I’ve played, they always felt more on the tighter side. It could have something to do with the inner rim making things feel more locked in, as opposed to say a DE rim with a softer shoulder which feels slightly bigger and more forgiving.
I’d also like to try their 1-piece mouthpieces, I think you lose a bit of something in the sound or overtones with 2 and 3-piece systems.
Both cups that I own are also light blank.
Any of you guys find the rims feel bigger than what they say it's suppose to be?[/quote]
I’ve always felt their small bore pieces feel a size SMALLER than specs. I have both a 7cs and 7rs rim on M and l underparts and they feel very small, more like an 11c size. Same with the 6 rims I’ve played, they always felt more on the tighter side. It could have something to do with the inner rim making things feel more locked in, as opposed to say a DE rim with a softer shoulder which feels slightly bigger and more forgiving.
I’d also like to try their 1-piece mouthpieces, I think you lose a bit of something in the sound or overtones with 2 and 3-piece systems.
- brtnats
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[quote="Aznguyy"]Any of you guys find the rims feel bigger than what they say it's suppose to be?[/quote]
The rim sizes aren’t really correlated to their Bach number. None of the rims I have (all C rims) feel like their Bach equivalent. The 1.25C feels more like a Schilke 60 size.
The rim sizes aren’t really correlated to their Bach number. None of the rims I have (all C rims) feel like their Bach equivalent. The 1.25C feels more like a Schilke 60 size.
- Aznguyy
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Speaking of rim shapes, do you all have a preference between the C rim and R rim?
- Rusty
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I found the C contour to be flatter and perhaps have a squarer inner edge, which maybe made it feel a little smaller and restrictive than the specs suggest, so I preferred the R contour, which still isn’t crazy round. I’m saying this, I’d like to revisit both contours again at some point.
- dukesboneman
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I found them to be very comfortable pieces. The 7 series pretty much matches up with the Bach 7 size.
The 7S was my favorite one . The only complaint I have is that they tend to "Light up" at a lower volume level
The 7S was my favorite one . The only complaint I have is that they tend to "Light up" at a lower volume level
- Aznguyy
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I'm currently on the 6 size and it does feel like it's on the smaller side, not sure if I like it. I picked up a used 5.5R rim and cup, hopefully that's the ticket. It's also good to know that the R contour is not as round as described.
- Rusty
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In the 6 size, I felt like the R rim made it feel closer to the specs and other pieces of that general size, so I’d try a 6R rim too if you feel the 5.5 is too big or broad sounding.
I’m keen to try their new Classic 1-piece series, their 4G would be great on large bore I’d guess. The 1.5 interests me too although I was quoted the rim being around a 113 size, so sounds like it would be bigger than most people’s idea of a 1.5G. The rim contour in this series is most similar to the C contour but slightly rounder/softer. They apparently have plans to expand this into the small bore range too which would interesting.
I’m keen to try their new Classic 1-piece series, their 4G would be great on large bore I’d guess. The 1.5 interests me too although I was quoted the rim being around a 113 size, so sounds like it would be bigger than most people’s idea of a 1.5G. The rim contour in this series is most similar to the C contour but slightly rounder/softer. They apparently have plans to expand this into the small bore range too which would interesting.
- TromboneMonkey
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Does anyone know what size the Levine Live 1 is, comparitively?
- CalgaryTbone
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[quote="Aznguyy"]Agree on all the above. For my small bore, I like the way the M cup plays but S cup has better control of the whole range. despite being a little tighter feeling. On my medium bore the M feels good but still a hair tight so that's why I'm curious about the D cup.
Both cups that I own are also light blank.
Any of you guys find the rims feel bigger than what they say it's suppose to be?[/quote]
I played on some Pickett's for a while - their measurements of the rim width are taken at a slightly different spot than most other makers, so the numbers don't line up with similar specs from other companies. I found that the model numbers corresponded pretty closely to Bach sizes (their 4 is similar to a Bach 4G). The descriptions on their site would lead you to believe that the 5 sizes correspond to Bach 4's.
I think that I ended up using small shanks for alto and small tenor where they threaded small cups to take my #4 rim.
Jim Scott
Both cups that I own are also light blank.
Any of you guys find the rims feel bigger than what they say it's suppose to be?[/quote]
I played on some Pickett's for a while - their measurements of the rim width are taken at a slightly different spot than most other makers, so the numbers don't line up with similar specs from other companies. I found that the model numbers corresponded pretty closely to Bach sizes (their 4 is similar to a Bach 4G). The descriptions on their site would lead you to believe that the 5 sizes correspond to Bach 4's.
I think that I ended up using small shanks for alto and small tenor where they threaded small cups to take my #4 rim.
Jim Scott
- Aznguyy
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[quote="TromboneMonkey"]Does anyone know what size the Levine Live 1 is, comparitively?[/quote]
I remember there was talk about it being around a Bach 11 size rim but shallower cup than the Bach C cup.
I remember there was talk about it being around a Bach 11 size rim but shallower cup than the Bach C cup.
- TromboneMonkey
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[quote="Aznguyy"]<QUOTE author="TromboneMonkey" post_id="291766" time="1767453892" user_id="3272">
Does anyone know what size the Levine Live 1 is, comparitively?[/quote]
I remember there was talk about it being around a Bach 11 size rim but shallower cup than the Bach C cup.
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Thanks Ken ! You are helpful as always. :)
Does anyone know what size the Levine Live 1 is, comparitively?[/quote]
I remember there was talk about it being around a Bach 11 size rim but shallower cup than the Bach C cup.
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Thanks Ken ! You are helpful as always. :)
- Aznguyy
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[quote="TromboneMonkey"]<QUOTE author="Aznguyy" post_id="291778" time="1767462145" user_id="3195">
I remember there was talk about it being around a Bach 11 size rim but shallower cup than the Bach C cup.[/quote]
Thanks Ken ! You are helpful as always. :)
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I am curious about his 6.7M mouthpiece too.
I remember there was talk about it being around a Bach 11 size rim but shallower cup than the Bach C cup.[/quote]
Thanks Ken ! You are helpful as always. :)
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I am curious about his 6.7M mouthpiece too.
- TromboneMonkey
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I had one of his original ones when it was just the Levine Signature Model. It was small, like a 11-12 rim. Felt very tight, but all Pickett pieces do in my experience. If I had to guess, his pieces may have cup diameters similar to other pieces of same numbering but the Picketts probably have more central high points on their rims making them feel smaller. Couldn't really say without getting them scanned.
I have had a bunch of pieces scanned and found I prefer rims where the high point is smack dab in the middle of the rim contour. Marcinkiewicz is like this, and Wick. Probably Doug's pieces too but I haven't had his scanned. Bach and Schilke have the high point more towards the inner rim. Long Island Brass has the high point more towards the outside.
Like I said I expect the Pickett high point is towards the inner.
I have had a bunch of pieces scanned and found I prefer rims where the high point is smack dab in the middle of the rim contour. Marcinkiewicz is like this, and Wick. Probably Doug's pieces too but I haven't had his scanned. Bach and Schilke have the high point more towards the inner rim. Long Island Brass has the high point more towards the outside.
Like I said I expect the Pickett high point is towards the inner.
- Aznguyy
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5.5S small shank came in yesterday. Love the R rim, very comfortable. I am not a fan of the S cup though. I though the wider rim would give it a little more room but it still feels very tight, even on my 508 horn. I'm going to play on this for awhile to see if things change.
- Aznguyy
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Another question, are the large shank rims and small shank rims comparable? Or do they have rim width difference and only the cup width is about the same?