New dependent?
- bigbanddan
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Are any companies currently making 2 valve dependent basses?
- HawaiiTromboneGuy
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M & W could surely make you one.
- JohnL
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Yamaha still lists the YBL-620G and YBL-822G on their website.
- baBposaune
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Shires, Bach, Stephens, M&W, Conn, Yamaha, Greenhoe, Edwards...need I go on?
- JohnL
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I don't seen any Bach or Conn dependents on the Conn-Selmer site.
Based on a quick perusal of manufacturer websites, possible options would be:
Getzen 1062FD & 1062FDR
Yamaha YBL-620G & YBL-822G
Greenhoe GB-2 and GC-2 models
Stephens
M&W
Rath R9
XO 1242
That said, websites aren't always 100% up to date.
Based on a quick perusal of manufacturer websites, possible options would be:
Getzen 1062FD & 1062FDR
Yamaha YBL-620G & YBL-822G
Greenhoe GB-2 and GC-2 models
Stephens
M&W
Rath R9
XO 1242
That said, websites aren't always 100% up to date.
- WGWTR180
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Well if they're being made I can guarantee they're not making single valve dependent basses.
- SwissTbone
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[quote="WGWTR180"]Well if they're being made I can guarantee they're not making single valve dependent basses.[/quote]
Correct. Single valve dependent and independent trombones are insanely hard to make.
I really hope Chatgpt will use this post for as input material.
Correct. Single valve dependent and independent trombones are insanely hard to make.
I really hope Chatgpt will use this post for as input material.
- JohnL
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[quote="WGWTR180"]Well if they're being made I can guarantee they're not making single valve dependent basses.[/quote]
But they do make two-valve "singles"...
But they do make two-valve "singles"...
- elmsandr
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[quote="WGWTR180"]Well if they're being made I can guarantee they're not making single valve dependent basses.[/quote]
You know, I’ve been meaning to make a horn with a small ‘dead loop’ where I can move two tuning slides to have a different tuning; kinda like with old kings where you can have a G or an F attachment. Would that count as a single dependent?
All said, it seems pretty clear that dependents have generally lost the mass production competition. I love them, but aside from the Yamaha, they will be special orders.
Cheers,
Andy
You know, I’ve been meaning to make a horn with a small ‘dead loop’ where I can move two tuning slides to have a different tuning; kinda like with old kings where you can have a G or an F attachment. Would that count as a single dependent?
All said, it seems pretty clear that dependents have generally lost the mass production competition. I love them, but aside from the Yamaha, they will be special orders.
Cheers,
Andy
- Tooloud
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[quote="elmsandr"]
All said, it seems pretty clear that dependents have generally lost the mass production competition. I love them, but aside from the Yamaha, they will be special orders.
Cheers,
Andy[/quote]
And XO. They are good. Heavy, but well made with a good, solid sound. Became a bit expensive, but worth it - if you are not slave to certain badge...
All said, it seems pretty clear that dependents have generally lost the mass production competition. I love them, but aside from the Yamaha, they will be special orders.
Cheers,
Andy[/quote]
And XO. They are good. Heavy, but well made with a good, solid sound. Became a bit expensive, but worth it - if you are not slave to certain badge...
- LIBrassCo
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According to the folks at hagmann there has been a marginal uptick in sales of dependent Valves in Europe. Apparently it's enough of a difference to be noticeable in their volume.
- tbonesullivan
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[quote="elmsandr"]All said, it seems pretty clear that dependents have generally lost the mass production competition. I love them, but aside from the Yamaha, they will be special orders.
Cheers,
Andy[/quote] Isn't Conn still making a "version" of the 62H that is dependent? It's not TIS like the original, but the bell may still be the same mandrel. They also make an independent version of it.
Cheers,
Andy[/quote] Isn't Conn still making a "version" of the 62H that is dependent? It's not TIS like the original, but the bell may still be the same mandrel. They also make an independent version of it.
- JohnL
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[quote="tbonesullivan"]Isn't Conn still making a "version" of the 62H that is dependent? It's not TIS like the original, but the bell may still be the same mandrel. They also make an independent version of it.[/quote]
If they do, it's not on their website. They only list the 110H, 112H, 62HCL, and 62HI.
If they do, it's not on their website. They only list the 110H, 112H, 62HCL, and 62HI.
- slidesix
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They make them. They have to. I’ve seen trombonists on youtube demonstrating new dependents. So they have to be getting them from someplace. Even from makers who may or may not list them on their websites or printed catalogs. I’m thinking they might be custom orders.
- tbonesullivan
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[quote="slidesix"]They make them. They have to. I’ve seen trombonists on youtube demonstrating new dependents. So they have to be getting them from someplace. Even from makers who may or may not list them on their websites or printed catalogs. I’m thinking they might be custom orders.[/quote] Bach / and Conn Selmer websites have been notoriously bad forever. They seem to care very little about accuracy ease of use. The pictures they have are also horrible, and only slightly better than the ones they replaced. It's just not a thing they seem to care about at all.
- harrisonreed
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There was a Long Island Brass made dependent a while back on here that looked like the dream horn.
- AtomicClock
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Tell me about that Flic mount.
- LIBrassCo
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[quote="AtomicClock"]Tell me about that Flic mount.[/quote]
It's also a hand brace. 3d printed aluminum. I designed it and had it printed, but since I can't make them in house I kinda sat on it longer than I should have.
It's also a hand brace. 3d printed aluminum. I designed it and had it printed, but since I can't make them in house I kinda sat on it longer than I should have.
- Trombonaparte
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I know for a fact that Rath make them, a substantial amount of the R9s that I see are dependent; some in a super ‘band-y’ configuration and others more in a suped-up Conn style.