WTB Hybrid Mouthpiece
- Geordie
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UK based trombone player investigating swapping between trombone and trumpet. Have seen positive reviews for hybrid mouthpieces but have struggled to find one at a sensible price. PM me if you are selling one.
- Geordie
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Looks like I’ll have to see if the people on the trumpet pages can help.
- harrisonreed
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Or buy from the maker, Chansons. They aren't common.
- Geordie
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[quote="harrisonreed"]Or buy from the maker, Chansons. They aren't common.[/quote]
True, but they are expensive to import once shipping costs, taxes and duties are added to the price when you import into UK. Hence my efforts to look at alternatives or availability in UK/Europe. Are Chansons the only manufacturer of hybrids?
True, but they are expensive to import once shipping costs, taxes and duties are added to the price when you import into UK. Hence my efforts to look at alternatives or availability in UK/Europe. Are Chansons the only manufacturer of hybrids?
- harrisonreed
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The only one I am aware of.
- Matt_K
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Frostcustombrass (Matt Frost) can make one. Doug Elliott made me a trumpet shank once. It was for an alto sacbut. Something like an ST A or ST AA/AAA and such a shank would fit the bill. The Chansons Hybrid one comes in a Bach 6.5, Bach 11, Bach 12, or Schilke 40 rim sizes if I'm not mistaken. Doug's equivalent would be something like an ST100, ST97, ST96, or and either the ST94 or 95; not sure what the Schilke size is exactly.
But short of that, I'm not aware of any other alternative.
EDIT: That's not true! Jim Nova had Greg Black make him a 3A or something to that effect with a trumpet shank for his soprano trombone in the recordings he does. It's super shallow but has a Bach 3 sized rim on it. Incidentally, the one Doug made for me has an XT104N rim attached to it which is comparable.
But short of that, I'm not aware of any other alternative.
EDIT: That's not true! Jim Nova had Greg Black make him a 3A or something to that effect with a trumpet shank for his soprano trombone in the recordings he does. It's super shallow but has a Bach 3 sized rim on it. Incidentally, the one Doug made for me has an XT104N rim attached to it which is comparable.
- TromboneConcerto
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- harrisonreed
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Holy cow that is expensive though.
Also, that avatar cracks me up every time.
「響け！生またての夢詰め込んで
大きな空へ今旅畳」
Also, that avatar cracks me up every time.
「響け！生またての夢詰め込んで
大きな空へ今旅畳」
- Geordie
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Not quite managed to find one yet, still looking. Anything out there?
- Posaunus
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[quote="Geordie"]Still looking for a Chanson ...[/quote]
Do you mean Chasson?
Do you mean Chasson?
- harrisonreed
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You've been searching for a year and a half. No doubt the manufacturer could use your business.
I know duties and all, and it's expensive, but how many hybrid mouthpieces must they not be selling right now?
I know duties and all, and it's expensive, but how many hybrid mouthpieces must they not be selling right now?
- Geordie
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[quote="Posaunus"]<QUOTE author="Geordie" post_id="92176" time="1566382087" user_id="265">
Do you mean Chasson?[/quote]
Yes :lol: although I understand others are available.
The price of a new Chasson imported to UK when postage, duties and tax are added is prohibitive for what is, for me, an experiment. So I suppose I should be clearer and say a used piece would be what I’d like.</QUOTE>
Do you mean Chasson?[/quote]
Yes :lol: although I understand others are available.
The price of a new Chasson imported to UK when postage, duties and tax are added is prohibitive for what is, for me, an experiment. So I suppose I should be clearer and say a used piece would be what I’d like.</QUOTE>
- Geordie
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Since I started this thread I’ve obtained, and am loving, a Doug E set up. However, I now have an option on a Chasson which I’m weighing up as an option for doubling on the side. The seller says it’s M: Bach 11 size .994” according to the Chasson site. I’m wondering how that compares to my XT 102 rim, cannot find a comparison on Doug’s site. Guessing my current rim won’t fit the Chasson. Any insights welcome.
- Doug_Elliott
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It's a lot smaller in size and feel. Really a completely different way of doing it.
If you're playing trumpet with it, I.think there isn't a really good compromise - Chanson does it one way and I do it another way but neither is a trumpet mouthpiece. The Chanson is closer to a trumpet design, and mine is obviously closer to a trombone mouthpiece. My ST series is a lot more trumpet-friendly than the XT series, and I do make 102 (and bigger) rims for it, but it's still a trombone mouthpiece that works OK on trumpet.
The usefulness of either style pretty much depends on how much you use it and your sound and endurance expectations - and how much your lips swell when making the switch.
If I was going to play any amount of trumpet, I'd use a trumpet mouthpiece and practice it. If I play my Olds F alto (same shank size) or Eb alto horn, I use my ST series A cup with ST N104 rim and the shank I make for that size. I used to make a AA cup, even shallower. Maybe I'll try that again.
I once had to play trumpet on a recording session for one tune... I used the Chanson and it sounded OK, closer to trumpet sound than mine.
If you're playing trumpet with it, I.think there isn't a really good compromise - Chanson does it one way and I do it another way but neither is a trumpet mouthpiece. The Chanson is closer to a trumpet design, and mine is obviously closer to a trombone mouthpiece. My ST series is a lot more trumpet-friendly than the XT series, and I do make 102 (and bigger) rims for it, but it's still a trombone mouthpiece that works OK on trumpet.
The usefulness of either style pretty much depends on how much you use it and your sound and endurance expectations - and how much your lips swell when making the switch.
If I was going to play any amount of trumpet, I'd use a trumpet mouthpiece and practice it. If I play my Olds F alto (same shank size) or Eb alto horn, I use my ST series A cup with ST N104 rim and the shank I make for that size. I used to make a AA cup, even shallower. Maybe I'll try that again.
I once had to play trumpet on a recording session for one tune... I used the Chanson and it sounded OK, closer to trumpet sound than mine.
- Geordie
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[quote="Doug Elliott"]It's a lot smaller in size and feel. Really a completely different way of doing it.
If you're playing trumpet with it, I.think there isn't a really good compromise - Chanson does it one way and I do it another way but neither is a trumpet mouthpiece. The Chanson is closer to a trumpet design, and mine is obviously closer to a trombone mouthpiece. My ST series is a lot more trumpet-friendly than the XT series, and I do make 102 (and bigger) rims for it, but it's still a trombone mouthpiece that works OK on trumpet.
The usefulness of either style pretty much depends on how much you use it and your sound and endurance expectations - and how much your lips swell when making the switch.
If I was going to play any amount of trumpet, I'd use a trumpet mouthpiece and practice it. If I play my Olds F alto (same shank size) or Eb alto horn, I use my ST series A cup with ST N104 rim and the shank I make for that size. I used to make a AA cup, even shallower. Maybe I'll try that again.
I once had to play trumpet on a recording session for one tune... I used the Chanson and it sounded OK, closer to trumpet sound than mine.[/quote]
TBH I’m just exploring at this stage Doug. Not expecting to do a lot of trumpet at all but interested in experimenting without spending lots.
My question boils down to whether or not I can attach my current rim from you to the Chasson, or do I need another rim from you or just go 100% with the used mouthpiece being sold.
I’ve also got another query in your in tray relating to an additional trombone mouthpiece, separate from this, that we can pick up off line when you get to it.
Richard B
If you're playing trumpet with it, I.think there isn't a really good compromise - Chanson does it one way and I do it another way but neither is a trumpet mouthpiece. The Chanson is closer to a trumpet design, and mine is obviously closer to a trombone mouthpiece. My ST series is a lot more trumpet-friendly than the XT series, and I do make 102 (and bigger) rims for it, but it's still a trombone mouthpiece that works OK on trumpet.
The usefulness of either style pretty much depends on how much you use it and your sound and endurance expectations - and how much your lips swell when making the switch.
If I was going to play any amount of trumpet, I'd use a trumpet mouthpiece and practice it. If I play my Olds F alto (same shank size) or Eb alto horn, I use my ST series A cup with ST N104 rim and the shank I make for that size. I used to make a AA cup, even shallower. Maybe I'll try that again.
I once had to play trumpet on a recording session for one tune... I used the Chanson and it sounded OK, closer to trumpet sound than mine.[/quote]
TBH I’m just exploring at this stage Doug. Not expecting to do a lot of trumpet at all but interested in experimenting without spending lots.
My question boils down to whether or not I can attach my current rim from you to the Chasson, or do I need another rim from you or just go 100% with the used mouthpiece being sold.
I’ve also got another query in your in tray relating to an additional trombone mouthpiece, separate from this, that we can pick up off line when you get to it.
Richard B
- Doug_Elliott
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I'm not aware of Chansons being threaded. If it is, I have no idea what it's compatible with, if anything.
- CalgaryTbone
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I have one I'd consider selling - let me dig it out and figure out a decent price. Send me a PM with your email, and we can work out the details via email rather than through the Chat.
Jim Scott
Jim Scott
- Matt_K
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The Chasons do not have a threaded rim. They are a two piece mouthpiece, one part is the rim and cup and the other is the shank. To the best of my knowledge, the shanks are specific to the cup, which would kind of make sense because the depths/lengths are probably different. You can get a 40B, 11, or 6.5 sized rim/cup combo and a trumpet, cornet, flugel, and/or horn backbore/shank.
Not much has changed since when I commented on this post in 2019, I agree with Doug that if you really are going to play trumpet, a trumpet mouthpiece is much more satisfying. I have a few Kanstul replicas with a Monette 2 rim in Lexan that I use for that playing when I have the time to actually practice it.
That said, the Greg Black that I mentioned that was made for Jim Nova is now available for purchase through the Nova signature series. It is by far the best trombone mouthpiece for trumpet / soprano trombone. Trumpet mouthpieces still sound much better and I personally have better endurance, though it is fun to practice on that piece because it does help get endurance on the trombone.
Not much has changed since when I commented on this post in 2019, I agree with Doug that if you really are going to play trumpet, a trumpet mouthpiece is much more satisfying. I have a few Kanstul replicas with a Monette 2 rim in Lexan that I use for that playing when I have the time to actually practice it.
That said, the Greg Black that I mentioned that was made for Jim Nova is now available for purchase through the Nova signature series. It is by far the best trombone mouthpiece for trumpet / soprano trombone. Trumpet mouthpieces still sound much better and I personally have better endurance, though it is fun to practice on that piece because it does help get endurance on the trombone.
- johnnymack
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FWIW Pickett makes a Hybrid.
Designed with/ for Wycliffe Gordon.
I believe it is called the Wycliffe Whybrid
Designed with/ for Wycliffe Gordon.
I believe it is called the Wycliffe Whybrid
- Klimchak
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[quote="johnnymack"]FWIW Pickett makes a Hybrid.
Designed with/ for Wycliffe Gordon.
I believe it is called the Wycliffe Whybrid[/quote]
I have one available if anyone is interested.
Designed with/ for Wycliffe Gordon.
I believe it is called the Wycliffe Whybrid[/quote]
I have one available if anyone is interested.
- CalgaryTbone
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OK - I found the one that I'm willing to sell. Tried to send a PM to the OP, and got an error message from the Chat.
If you're out there and still want one, send me a message - my email works, and I believe that the PM feature still works, unless there's something going on with the site.
If there are others watching this site that want one, get in touch. I'll give the OP first dibs, but won't wait too long.
Jim Scott
If you're out there and still want one, send me a message - my email works, and I believe that the PM feature still works, unless there's something going on with the site.
If there are others watching this site that want one, get in touch. I'll give the OP first dibs, but won't wait too long.
Jim Scott
- ryant
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[quote="johnnymack"]FWIW Pickett makes a Hybrid.
Designed with/ for Wycliffe Gordon.
I believe it is called the Wycliffe Whybrid[/quote]
Nice, just saw one of these on Facebook marketplace.
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Designed with/ for Wycliffe Gordon.
I believe it is called the Wycliffe Whybrid[/quote]
Nice, just saw one of these on Facebook marketplace.
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- Geordie
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[quote="CalgaryTbone"]OK - I found the one that I'm willing to sell. Tried to send a PM to the OP, and got an error message from the Chat.
If you're out there and still want one, send me a message - my email works, and I believe that the PM feature still works, unless there's something going on with the site.
If there are others watching this site that want one, get in touch. I'll give the OP first dibs, but won't wait too long.
Jim Scott[/quote]
Hello - Replied to your PM with email address.
If you're out there and still want one, send me a message - my email works, and I believe that the PM feature still works, unless there's something going on with the site.
If there are others watching this site that want one, get in touch. I'll give the OP first dibs, but won't wait too long.
Jim Scott[/quote]
Hello - Replied to your PM with email address.