SOLD: Conn 8H Elkhart 1948

biggiesmalls · 2019-05-26 1:59 p.m.

This is a phenomenal horn which I sold a few years ago and recently reacquired in a trade. The buyer played it as his only horn for a few years, but his needs changed, so he traded it in for an 88H.

Please view my Craigslist ad linked below. Ignore the "local and cash only" condition, I will ship to CONUS only:

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sf105 · by **sf105** » 2019-05-28 12:49 p.m.

very nice

Trav1s · by **Trav1s** » 2019-05-29 6:54 a.m.

That's sweetness

Glog · 2019-06-12 6:06 p.m.

With all due respect, 8H cannot be manufactured before 1954

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2019-06-12 6:30 p.m.

[quote="Glog"]With all due respect, 8 cannot be manufactured before 1954[/quote]

An 8H could have been made before 1954. In fact, early large bore instruments with F-attachments were often labeled 8H even though the horn looks and plays exactly like an 88H.

The designation of 88H would have to be later than 1954.

Glog · by **Glog** » 2019-06-12 7:21 p.m.

Slide not from model 8H

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2019-06-12 7:43 p.m.

Are you referring to the slide not having the reinforcing tabs on the braces? It's possible that they were removed at some time.

Biggiesmalls is a pretty savvy player and should know the differences.

Glog · by **Glog** » 2019-06-12 8:06 p.m.

I mean, this is a slide from a completely different model.It's more like 32H

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2019-06-12 8:25 p.m.

[quote="Glog"]I mean, this is a slide from a completely different model.It's more like 32H[/quote]

32h slide is very narrow and the braces are proportionately larger. Plus the 32h slide isn't interchangeable with 8h bell. You seem desperate to shoot down a beautiful desirable horn. Wassup?

Glog · by **Glog** » 2019-06-12 9:06 p.m.

Only facts.

There was no 8H in 1948

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnTrbHFull.html

Find the differences

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn8H1962image.html

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hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2019-06-12 10:40 p.m.

I think you're misinterpreting something. Noah Gladstone of Brass Ark is a big fan of the early 8h, and has one from 1919.

http://www.brassark.com/museum.html

If you read this chart, it says the earliest 8h was 1913.

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnTrbHFull.html

Glog · by **Glog** » 2019-06-12 11:06 p.m.

Maybe I really do not understand something. But the old 8H was discontinued in 1934. It would be interesting to take a photo of the serial number and model, it would remove all the questions.

paulyg · by **paulyg** » 2019-06-12 11:28 p.m.

Of course you could acknowledge the limitations of internet sources, as well as your own limitations, and that would remove all the questions...

I'll agree that the cork barrels do not look like the originals... but these could have been changed for any number of reasons, and as you pointed out, they look like original Conn parts.

I'm sure that the seller would be more than happy to answer any questions that an interested buyer might have. As someone who recently had my classified torpedoed (not on here) by the peanut gallery, I'll tell you that it appears you are casting aspersions on the integrity of the seller. Please clarify if this is the case or not.

Glog · by **Glog** » 2019-06-13 1:33 a.m.

By no means slander.

If it is 8H assembled from different models, then the buyer has the right to know.

Agree, it is very easy to take a photo of the serial number and model.

chromebone · 2019-06-13 9:02 a.m.

8h was available as a special order even after it was discontinued as a regular production model. And the Derksen site, while useful, does have inaccuracies on it. Oftentimes, Conn would label a special order/custom with the standard model number that came the closest to what the build was. It’s entirely possible the horn was ordered with those cork barrels, for whatever reason. Back then, Conn would build whatever you wanted. My guess is, and the OP could confirm, is that this horn was ordered with a slide lock, and at the time, the stock 8H slide parts laying around were not available with one (I don't think a slide lock was even available as an option on an 8H until the mid'50's ) and Conn used existing parts that could accommodate that request.

doctortrombone · by **doctortrombone** » 2019-06-13 11:02 a.m.

So I guess the question is, does it have the same specs as a modern 8h? Is it a 547 bore? What's the bell diameter? If those match up, all this speculation is a moot point.

biggiesmalls · by **biggiesmalls** » 2019-06-18 4:29 p.m.

Sorry, I don't check in here as often as I probably should.

Here's an image of the matching slide serial numbers on the outer sleeve and original cork barrels, and the 8H stamp on the outer sleeve. Depending on whose serial number chart you go by, maybe 1949.

Any more questions?

Edit: added image of 8H stamp on receiver

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SOLD: Conn 8H Elkhart 1948