Vintage Conn Bass Trombones - pictures, specifications, characteristics. Who played them?

imsevimse · 2019-07-13 4:39 a.m.

Write anything you want to share about the vintage Conn bass trombone models. What do we like about them? What do you know about their similarities and differences? Can you tell their story? Who played them? Modifications? Pictures?

I share a few pictures of my Conn bass trombones: 70h (1952), 72h (1963), 62h (1970), 73h (1977) and 71h (1979). I shared pictures with the help of "imageshare" You upload an image on their server and then copy and paste the URL.

This is the 72h on the left and the 70h on the right.

Both have the same bell profile and they need the smaller cup. They have not the exact valve design and the braces are little different.

The 72h feels a bit larger compared to the 70h The 70h has a bit more "snappy" attacks and brightens up if played very loud. It has another spectra of sound with more colors. I'm thinking it must be the TIS. Both has the B when I pull the f-slide.

Here is the 72h (to the left) next to a 71h

I tested both with the f-valve slide pulled as far as possible and on both the B is possible. Both must have longer slides compared to modern basses.

I removed the f-tuningslides and compared them. The one on the Conn 72h is longer which means it can be pulled a few centimeters more compared to the 71h, but the maximum total length of both valves seems to be equal when I measure with a string. There is a difference in disposition of what is movable and what is not, but I'm not sure which is best and how this can work.

When I play both horns the 71h seems more thight compared to the 72h which is more open. I wonder what else is different? What about lead pipes? The 72h is an Elkhart from -63 and the 71h is an Abilene from -79.

From the pictures you can se there are differences in the tuningslide and valve section where the 71h misses three braces.

I'm thinking the reason to build the 71h like this is it then shares the first valve design with the 73h. Maybe it was cheaper to have one valve design for the first valve. A design that works also when they add the next valve to build a 73h. You can see that on the next picture. The 72h and 71h plays different, but is it possible that might not have been their primary intention but a side effect?

Here is the 73h to the left and the 62h to the right.

The 73h bell is the same as the 70h, 71h and 72h.

The bell on the 62h has another profile. It needs the larger cup, the cup that fit most modern basses.

The slide is the same length on 71h, 72h and 73h.

The 70h has a 2 cm longer slide compared to the 71h, 72h and 73h and of course can be extended since it has tuning in the slide. The 62h has a slide that is 4 cm shorter than the non TIS slides but can also be extended like the 70h since it has tuning in slide.

As you can see both the 73h and 62h has almost the same valve design or it's the longer goose neck on the 62h that makes them look a little different.

Both these horns came with the second valve in E. The 73h now has the "Stauffer D-slide" that is no longer made. I had Lars Gerdt (builds trumpets) in Stockholm to build me a copy of that "Stauffer D-slide" to fit the 62h.

When played the 73h feels smaller compared to the 62h.

The 62h is the only one that is red brass. The others are all yellow brass.

I played the same song on all five of them. The 71h and 73h definitely are more "tenorish". The sound of the 70h is very colourful. The 72h feels a bit larger compared to the 70h but I don't think it is. I don't know about any differences in lead pipes? I consider the 62h to have the broadest sound and is definitely largest sounding bass in the herd. All these horns are a joy to play.

/Tom

walldaja · by **walldaja** » 2019-07-13 12:59 p.m.

Thanks for the information. I was holding out for a Conn 110 but the Yamaha got to me first. I did like that the Conn had a mechanical linkage. I have several friends who play 88Hs and have that sound in my head quite a bit.

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2019-07-13 1:04 p.m.

I play an Elkhart 72H with Yamaha independent valves as my daily driver. I used to also have a stock single-valve 72H, which I played as my main axe for about a year on all kinds of modern rep until I got the double 72H. It seems like the 62H is the darling of the old Conn basses, while the 70-series (excluding the 70H I suppose) is ignored by comparison, especially as a main bass trombone. But I love the way they play and that classic, more compact sound - it matches my Elkhart 88H very well!

imsevimse · 2019-07-13 1:50 p.m.

[quote="Finetales"]I play an Elkhart 72H with Yamaha independent valves as my daily driver. I used to also have a stock single-valve[/quote]

Is the second valve added to the tuningslide of the first valve? This is one way to do it, or is it a complete rebuild?

/Tom

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2019-07-13 2:29 p.m.

Here’s a link for now. I’ll post more tidbits about it after work.

https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9297

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2019-07-13 2:32 p.m.

Here’s another quick link. Not sure if it was marketed as a very large tenor or possible bass at the time.

https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9433

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-07-13 3:29 p.m.

[quote="HawaiiTromboneGuy"]Here’s a link for now. I’ll post more tidbits about it after work.

https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9297[/quote]

Nice horns :good: Is that a Conn 70h "Fuchs" model?

[quote="HawaiiTromboneGuy"]Here’s another quick link. Not sure if it was marketed as a very large tenor or possible bass at the time.

https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9433[/quote]

Do you suspect this this to be a 14h or 66h?

What do we know about the Fuchs and 14h and 66h?

/Tom

Bone2Bwild · by **Bone2Bwild** » 2019-07-13 4:28 p.m.

I have nice a 1971 Abilene 62H. I bought it about 18 months ago and I'm part way through splitting the triggers using some lovely instrument innovations parts. When I got it the valve top plates were very loose and had to peined to fit securely. I also closed down the bearings and lapped them back in. The F section was quite flat, so I had to cut some off the tuning slide.

The slide wasn't bad, but I've taken it apart to make it as straight as possible :-) I might pull the leadpipe, but haven't decided on that yet.

It came with a long thin D slide, so I'll stick with that as it plays fine and looks quite cool.

I'm looking forward to playing it again - it's much more interesting than my modern 62H which is quite one dimensional.

I'll post some pics when I've finished it :-)

Andy

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2019-07-13 5:42 p.m.

I had a 60H for a while. I had the leadpipe pulled because the old one was trashed. It was a neat horn, but like any single I couldn't imagine what to do with it. Even now, a year after I sold it, I can't think of a gig where it would have been a better choice than my other horns.

Savio · by **Savio** » 2019-07-13 5:45 p.m.

Tom, how did you get all this nice trombones? I have the 60h and two 70h. Thanks for posting pictures of these wonderful trombones. I believe it's a big difference between 60 and 70 series. But between the different 70 series the difference is not that big. Consistency was maybe not the strongest side among the vintage trombones, so no example of let's say 70h are the same.

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2019-07-14 1:32 a.m.

[quote="imsevimse"]<QUOTE author="HawaiiTromboneGuy" post_id="89592" time="1563042560" user_id="3695">
Here’s a link for now. I’ll post more tidbits about it after work.

https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9297[/quote]

Nice horns :good: Is that a Conn 70h "Fuchs" model?

[quote="HawaiiTromboneGuy"]Here’s another quick link. Not sure if it was marketed as a very large tenor or possible bass at the time.

https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9433[/quote]

Do you suspect this this to be a 14h or 66h?

What do we know about the Fuchs and 14h and 66h?

/Tom
</QUOTE>

Yes, that is a special order 70H Fuchs made with yellow brass.

As for the other horn, I’m not entirely sure which exact model this is. It shares similar characteristics with the old 14H and 66H models.

bigbandbone · by **bigbandbone** » 2019-07-14 9:59 a.m.

I just bought a 1963 72H. Playing mainly big band and a little community band. It's my first bass bone. I'm still in the honeymoon phase with it, but thumbs up so far. Trying to decide on a mouthpiece right now.

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2019-07-14 12:06 p.m.

[quote="imsevimse"]<QUOTE author="Finetales" post_id="89583" time="1563037484" user_id="136">
I play an Elkhart 72H with Yamaha independent valves as my daily driver.[/quote]
Is the second valve added to the tuningslide of the first valve? This is one way to do it, or is it a complete rebuild?

/Tom
</QUOTE>

Complete rebuild. Looks like a Xeno from a distance! I'll try to get a good pic sometime today.

Bloo · by **Bloo** » 2019-07-14 9:49 p.m.

Played a 110H from the 60s with a custom Hagmann valve. It was loaned from a professor at my local uni. I played bass in a community brass choir for a year. It blended easily and was loud enough to only be one of two basses.

I also used it to play a few performances with my brass quintet. We performed before the choir a few times, and travel arrangements meant I was unable to take my tenor. With a tenor mouthpiece, the 110h still sounded wonderful and did the job. Not as well as a tenor, but as well as a bass could.

The 110h suited any style I wanted to use it for, and even stepped outside of the role and filled a tenor role on occasion. It was a dream to play. The only thing I don't like is how large the bell is. Would much prefer a 9 - 8.5 inch bell over the 10" monster I played.

Overall?

I really want one and I ache every time I play my current bass.

hornbuilder · by **hornbuilder** » 2019-07-15 9:38 a.m.

Bone2BWild. Your horn is not Abilene if it was made in '71. The move didn't occur until 1973. There were horns made in Elkhart with "Made in USA" engraved on the bell, which carried over fir a few years in Abilene, before they switched to "Abilene, Texas" engraving. Check the serial number, that is the only definitive piece of information to determine where it was made.

Bone2Bwild · by **Bone2Bwild** » 2019-07-15 5:29 p.m.

[quote="hornbuilder"]Bone2BWild. Your horn is not Abilene if it was made in '71. The move didn't occur until 1973. There were horns made in Elkhart with "Made in USA" engraved on the bell, which carried over fir a few years in Abilene, before they switched to "Abilene, Texas" engraving. Check the serial number, that is the only definitive piece of information to determine where it was made.[/quote]

Thanks Matthew - I wasn’t aware that the move wasn’t until 1973. I’ll check the serial number for the year. It’s definitely Abilene made as it is engraved on the bell. It looks like Elkhart parts assembled in Abilene, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking <EMOJI seq="1f600" tseq="1f600">😀</EMOJI>.

It definitely knocks the modern 62H into a cocked hat!

Andy

sf105 · by **sf105** » 2019-07-16 7:03 p.m.

[quote="bigbandbone"]I just bought a 1963 72H. Playing mainly big band and a little community band. It's my first bass bone. I'm still in the honeymoon phase with it, but thumbs up so far. Trying to decide on a mouthpiece right now.[/quote]

A good 72H (they weren't all) is a lot of fun. Watch out for the unusual shank on older Conns, Doug Elliott makes appropriate shanks, and I like Bill Symington's 1 1/2G copy.

S

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-07-20 5:20 p.m.

[quote="sf105"]<QUOTE author="bigbandbone" post_id="89627" time="1563112753" user_id="4328">
I just bought a 1963 72H. Playing mainly big band and a little community band. It's my first bass bone. I'm still in the honeymoon phase with it, but thumbs up so far. Trying to decide on a mouthpiece right now.[/quote]

A good 72H (they weren't all) is a lot of fun. Watch out for the unusual shank on older Conns, Doug Elliott makes appropriate shanks, and I like Bill Symington's 1 1/2G copy.

S
</QUOTE>
I had Karl Mammond make me a 20BL with Remington taper to fit these old Conns. To have the right mouthpiece is a difference you can feel.

/Tom

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-07-20 5:20 p.m.

[quote="sf105"]<QUOTE author="bigbandbone" post_id="89627" time="1563112753" user_id="4328">
I just bought a 1963 72H. Playing mainly big band and a little community band. It's my first bass bone. I'm still in the honeymoon phase with it, but thumbs up so far. Trying to decide on a mouthpiece right now.[/quote]

A good 72H (they weren't all) is a lot of fun. Watch out for the unusual shank on older Conns, Doug Elliott makes appropriate shanks, and I like Bill Symington's 1 1/2G copy.

S
</QUOTE>
I had Karl Mammond make me a 20BL with Remington taper to fit these old Conns and to have the right mouthpiece is a difference you can feel to have a mouthpiece that fits.

/Tom

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-07-20 5:30 p.m.

[quote="Savio"]Tom, how did you get all this nice trombones? I have the 60h and two 70h. Thanks for posting pictures of these wonderful trombones. I believe it's a big difference between 60 and 70 series. But between the different 70 series the difference is not that big. Consistency was maybe not the strongest side among the vintage trombones, so no example of let's say 70h are the same.[/quote]

Yes I've understood especially the 70h is very different from the early models to the ones built in the 50ies. I've played a 60h once that was really good. I would like one of those but at the moment more trombones are not my priority. How I got my Conn basses? The 73h I found used in a shop. This was about seven/eight years ago. The 70h I got from Dillon music. The 71h and 62h I got from ebay and the 72h I bought from a friend. Prices were a lot cheaper when I bought those, especially Ebay prices but since new trombones got more expensive the after market went along with that. I would not buy of ebay today because prices are now to high. I would rather choose to buy from a shop of from a friend as prices are the same or can be cheaper..

/Tom

bigbandbone · by **bigbandbone** » 2019-07-21 1:38 p.m.

[quote="imsevimse"]<QUOTE author="Savio" post_id="89605" time="1563054351" user_id="3155">
Tom, how did you get all this nice trombones? I have the 60h and two 70h. Thanks for posting pictures of these wonderful trombones. I believe it's a big difference between 60 and 70 series. But between the different 70 series the difference is not that big. Consistency was maybe not the strongest side among the vintage trombones, so no example of let's say 70h are the same.[/quote]

Yes I've understood especially the 70h is very different from the early models to the ones built in the 50ies. I've played a 60h once that was really good. I would like one of those but at the moment more trombones are not my priority. How I got my Conn basses? The 73h I found used in a shop. This was about seven/eight years ago. The 70h I got from Dillon music. The 71h and 62h I got from ebay and the 72h I bought from a friend. Prices were a lot cheaper when I bought those, especially Ebay prices but since new trombones got more expensive the after market went along with that. I would not buy of ebay today because prices are now to high. I would rather choose to buy from a shop of from a friend as prices are the same or can be cheaper..

/Tom
</QUOTE>

I bought my 72H from the Sam Ash Used Gear website. I'm in Cleveland and the horn was in Huston. The price with shipping was very good! They even let me dicker for a better price! The thing that sold me about buying from them online was their return policy. If I didn't like it I could return it to my local Sam Ash Store for a full refund. No return shipping. The horn did need a little work, but is in overall great condition for a 1963 72H.

I couldn't find anything else on line in my price range.

Savio · by **Savio** » 2019-07-21 5:29 p.m.

The history of instrument development is interesting. Conn and Bach was a big part of it. Today there is a lot more companies involved. More of the small companies that specialise in making brass instruments. And I believe it’s a must because everything change. There is a lot of good trombones and trombone makers out there. And they have to follow the needs and wishes from the players, bands and schools. And more and more customising from the pro players. I think Instruments is getting better and better. But there is still something with the old Conn Elkhart trombones that’s making our heart beat little more. There is something about them and many have tried to find out how they was made.

Tom, the 70h was not made after 1955. I wonder why they stopped making it?

I sold one 70h from 1941 and I regret it. It was the best.

Leif.

greenbean · by **greenbean** » 2019-07-22 11:18 a.m.

I have a 70H from 1937. So easy to play and it sounds great. I use a Conn 3B mouthpiece.

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greenbean · by **greenbean** » 2019-07-22 11:19 a.m.

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wayne88ny · by **wayne88ny** » 2019-07-25 6:20 p.m.

The 71H/73H has a narrower tuning slide than the 72H.

EdwardSolomon · by **EdwardSolomon** » 2019-07-30 6:33 a.m.

Here's my stable.

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Top to bottom:

1970 Conn 62H (reworked by Larry Minick)

1942 Conn 70H

1969 Conn 88H

swissbone · by **swissbone** » 2019-08-05 4:05 p.m.

Here's my Minick Conn 60h/62h bass trombone :D

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2019-08-05 4:13 p.m.

You are in switzerland. I am in switzerland. You got a nice bone. When can we meet so I can give it a blow? :-)

swissbone · by **swissbone** » 2019-08-05 4:59 p.m.

[quote="cozzagiorgi"]You are in switzerland. I am in switzerland. You got a nice bone. When can we meet so I can give it a blow? :-)[/quote]

Sure, anytime<EMOJI seq="1f609" tseq="1f609">😉</EMOJI> Hit me Up! Email or PM

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2019-09-08 9:50 a.m.

[quote="Finetales"]I play an Elkhart 72H with Yamaha independent valves as my daily driver. I used to also have a stock single-valve 72H, which I played as my main axe for about a year on all kinds of modern rep until I got the double 72H. It seems like the 62H is the darling of the old Conn basses, while the 70-series (excluding the 70H I suppose) is ignored by comparison, especially as a main bass trombone. But I love the way they play and that classic, more compact sound - it matches my Elkhart 88H very well![/quote]
Mind sharing a pic of the double valve 72H?

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2019-09-23 4:48 p.m.

[quote="WGWTR180"]Mind sharing a pic of the double valve 72H?[/quote]

Sorry for the delay, here's a few pics.

It really looks like a Xeno from a distance, and most people assume it is one.

It still has some work to be done (adjust the slide lock so it works properly, modify the linkage so it fits my hand better and I can use the thumb trigger paddle (rather than leaving it bare as it is now), slightly shorten the main tuning slide so I have a little more wiggle room), but it's a wonderful player.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2019-09-24 1:04 p.m.

Looks great. Any issues with sizing using the original Conn slide receiver on the valve set? Also looks like you added some tuning slide guards?

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-09-24 2:12 p.m.

[quote="greenbean"]IMG_8636 2.JPG[/quote]
That horn looks very interesting. If I stumble across a Fuchs over here I will consider to buy.

/Tom

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-09-24 2:13 p.m.

[quote="Finetales"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="93471" time="1567950629" user_id="7573">Mind sharing a pic of the double valve 72H?[/quote]
It really looks like a Xeno from a distance, and most people assume it is one.

It still has some work to be done (adjust the slide lock so it works properly, modify the linkage so it fits my hand better and I can use the thumb trigger paddle (rather than leaving it bare as it is now), slightly shorten the main tuning slide so I have a little more wiggle room), but it's a wonderful player.
</QUOTE>

Nice horn!

/Tom

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2019-09-24 4:33 p.m.

[quote="WGWTR180"]Looks great. Any issues with sizing using the original Conn slide receiver on the valve set? Also looks like you added some tuning slide guards?[/quote]

I actually bought the horn this way, so I didn't do any of the work. Not sure if the TS guards were added or not, but the receiver has no issues.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2019-09-25 8:13 a.m.

Thanks. Great looking horn. One never knows when adding a modern valve set to a vintage instrument how it will turn out.

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-09-25 12:36 p.m.

[quote="WGWTR180"]Thanks. Great looking horn. One never knows when adding a modern valve set to a vintage instrument how it will turn out.[/quote]

At one occasion I tried several modernized vintage horns. About ten were single basses that had been converted to inline double thayers They were all Conn basses. Conn 70h and 72H all with open wrap. Since I have the original horns at home I had them fresh in memory. My thought was the same for every converted horn I tried and that was the original character of the horns were lost. If the original character is not what you seek then it is fine, but to me the original character is what I like. It is probably the thayers. Some like that and think this opens up the horn, to me it is not an improvement. I like a little more resistance in the valve register. This is one reason I will not convert or change them much. The only thing I would consider with my horns besides the D-slide would be to split the triggers.

/Tom

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2019-09-25 2:07 p.m.

[quote="imsevimse"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="94631" time="1569413608" user_id="7573">
Thanks. Great looking horn. One never knows when adding a modern valve set to a vintage instrument how it will turn out.[/quote]

At one occasion I tried several modernized vintage horns. About ten were single basses that had been converted to inline double thayers They were all Conn basses. Conn 70h and 72H all with open wrap. Since I have the original horns at home I had them fresh in memory. My thought was the same for every converted horn I tried and that was the original character of the horns were lost. If the original character is not what you seek then it is fine, but to me the original character is what I like. It is probably the thayers. Some like that and think this opens up the horn, to me it is not an improvement. I like a little more resistance in the valve register. This is one reason I will not convert or change them much. The only thing I would consider with my horns besides the D-slide would be to split the triggers.

/Tom
</QUOTE>

100% agree with you.

Savio · by **Savio** » 2019-09-25 5:01 p.m.

Today I played the 70h in the opera Hansel and Gretel. I never used the 70h in an orchestra before but this experience was a wake up for me. It works wonderful. I did listen Chris play my 70h just some time ago so I knew that trombone could sound big and powerful. It worked wonderful, have to play it a little different than my Holton I always used in orchestra. But I felt in fact nearly everything was more easy on the 70h. A couple of times I had problem because I tried to play too loud. Because Im used to another type of horn. Solution is just to keep the head a little cold and focus on making a loud controlled big sound. My God it works wonders! The tuba player had never seen such a horn, and he loved the sound. The soft passages? No cloudy sound, a dream to play. But most of all, intonation is much more easy. Its strange from a 70 year old trombone, but so it is. Im usually a little afraid 7nt and 5th position. This horn was just straight on everytime. Or it felt so...... :biggrin:

So today was first rehearsel and I just felt home from first note and feel so exited for tomorrow. Its fun guys, you should really try out the 70h :good: :good: :good:

Leif

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-25 5:38 p.m.

Leif, I am delighted that the old Conn is serving you so well. I really liked that trombone when I tried it. I will be using my 70H in Tosca next week. They are great horns.

Chris

imsevimse · 2019-09-25 6:35 p.m.

I will bring my 70H to the rehearsal with the big band I'm playing in Thursdays. I got very good comments on that horn the last rehearsal when I brought that horn. Other horns that I reasently brought to that band is a Conn 72h, Holton 169, Kanstul 1662, Olds p24G, King 6B "Duo Gravis". No horn got the same credits as the 70h. I will use it on the the next gig we do, the 2/10.

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2019-09-25 11:45 p.m.

[quote="imsevimse"]My thought was the same for every converted horn I tried and that was the original character of the horns were lost.[/quote]

Thankfully that is not the case with mine. For a long time I had two 72H bell sections: a stock single valve section (also '60s Elkhart, that I used for a year before the indy section showed up) and the indy section. You'll never add a valve to an instrument and not have a significant change, but the character I fell in love with was not lost. I would sometimes bring both bell sections to big band gigs and switch to the single on appropriate repertoire. Friends of mine in the audience told me that while both sections sounded like classic Conn, the indy section sounded beefier and broader.

I eventually sold the single section because I wasn't playing anything it would be useful for and I needed the money, but I miss it. There is NOTHING that feels as good playing vintage big band rep than a good vintage Conn single. They are so light, agile, and characterful. It feels like driving a sports car. But my indy 72H affords me that character while being able to tackle any modern rep as well. A little more work to play, but much easier on the slide hand!

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-09-26 1:19 a.m.

[quote="imsevimse"]I will brng my 70H to the rehearsal with the big band I'm playing with thisThursday. I got very good comments on that horn the last rehearsal when I brought that horn. Other horns that I reasently brought to that band is a Conn 72h, Holton 169, Kanstul 1662, Olds p24G, King 6B "Duo Gravis". No horn got the same credits as the 70h. I will use it on the the next gig we do, the 2/10.[/quote]

Savio · by **Savio** » 2019-09-26 4:27 p.m.

~~[url]~~https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhaJsEV3XljMP4HB-Xg

Hope you can see the beauty? Took away all the braces on the slide because there was a loose joint.

Cheers!

Leif

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-09-26 8:06 p.m.

[quote="Savio"]

~~[url]~~https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhaJsEV3XljMP4HB-Xg

Hope you can see the beauty? Took away all the braces on the slide because there was a loose joint.

Cheers!

Leif[/quote]

Ok? Is this your 70h but with the braces from the slide are removed. Is it a TIS but with no screw to tune the slide?

I brought my Conn 70h to the rehearsal with a big band today and it was a winner. All favours this horn before mh Kanstul 1662 that I brought last week. The gig is Wednesday. I will do it on the 70h. It blends real well have to rely on fake notes.

Tom/

Savio · by **Savio** » 2019-09-27 4:05 a.m.

Yes Tom, brace's and the tuning screw are removed but I can still tune it. The 70h is an amazing trombone Tom, I can understand why the others in your big band like it!

Leif

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 6:03 a.m.

Hopefully I have attached a couple of shots of the 70H.

Chris

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2019-09-27 6:52 a.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]Hopefully I have attached a couple of shots of the 70H.

Chris[/quote]

Where's the TIS mechanism?

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 7:36 a.m.

[quote="cozzagiorgi"]<QUOTE author="FOSSIL" post_id="94777" time="1569578583" user_id="7109">
Hopefully I have attached a couple of shots of the 70H.

Chris[/quote]

Where's the TIS mechanism?
</QUOTE>
Well, with the tuning in the J section it doesn't need slide tuning....

Chris

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2019-09-27 8:43 a.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]<QUOTE author="cozzagiorgi" post_id="94780" time="1569581566" user_id="62">

Where's the TIS mechanism?[/quote]
Well, with the tuning in the J section it doesn't need slide tuning....

Chris
</QUOTE>

:-) now I see it.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 9:27 a.m.

[quote="cozzagiorgi"]<QUOTE author="FOSSIL" post_id="94781" time="1569584176" user_id="7109">

Well, with the tuning in the J section it doesn't need slide tuning....

Chris[/quote]

:-) now I see it.
</QUOTE>

I should have been a bit more forthcoming.... it's a 1934 70H that has been totally reworked in the style of Earl Williams. No curved hand brace as I don't like them. German valve, J bend tuning, lightweight slide, wide bottom bow. Every joint resoldered. How does it play ?

Stupidly well !!! Way better than the stock incarnation... many hours of work, but worth it. I left all the small bruises in and have not buffed it... I think that is cool in a rat-rod sort of way.

Chris

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2019-09-27 9:38 a.m.

Would a 70H with tuning in the bell really be more like a 72H? I realize that a 72H has a lot more bracing in the bell section.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2019-09-27 9:49 a.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]Would a 70H with tuning in the bell really be more like a 72H? I realize that a 72H has a lot more bracing in the bell section.[/quote]

No.

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2019-09-27 1:20 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]<QUOTE author="cozzagiorgi" post_id="94783" time="1569588232" user_id="62">

:-) now I see it.[/quote]

I should have been a bit more forthcoming.... it's a 1934 70H that has been totally reworked in the style of Earl Williams. No curved hand brace as I don't like them. German valve, J bend tuning, lightweight slide, wide bottom bow. Every joint resoldered. How does it play ?

Stupidly well !!! Way better than the stock incarnation... many hours of work, but worth it. I left all the small bruises in and have not buffed it... I think that is cool in a rat-rod sort of way.

Chris
</QUOTE>

Sounds like an interesting setup!

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 1:58 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]Would a 70H with tuning in the bell really be more like a 72H? I realize that a 72H has a lot more bracing in the bell section.[/quote]

I get what you mean. This very different from a 72H... the slide is 62H length and the bell section also the length of 62H types. J bend and bell are a light gold brass. Valve is nickel silver. Stay work is unique. Slide is lightweight and wide. leadpipe is original. What Conn could have made but didn't.

Chris

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 3:01 p.m.

A little more visual information....

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 3:02 p.m.

And more...

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 3:04 p.m.

And more....

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 3:14 p.m.

Slide top finish...

Savio · by **Savio** » 2019-09-27 3:37 p.m.

Thats the one you showed me in Oslo Chris. I remember it, but the light weight slide, how did you make that? The inner slide is original but the out slide?

Leif

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-27 3:47 p.m.

[quote="Savio"]Thats the one you showed me in Oslo Chris. I remember it, but the light weight slide, how did you make that? The inner slide is original but the out slide?

Leif[/quote]

When you take off all the TIS parts and the oversleeves, you get a light slide... the original outers are really thin. All original parts except the bottom bow, which is a modern Conn part.

Chris

eatanick · by **eatanick** » 2019-09-27 7:11 p.m.

How do the short slide/long bell examples of the 70H (non Fuchs) typically compare to the later long slide 70H? Do you know

their respective production periods?

I own a complete 70H from the 50s (long slide, short bell) and a second 70H bell section. It has a much longer J bow and the valve wrap is nearly the same but with slightly different proportions. I'm assuming the long bell section is older, but without the slide, there's no serial number to date it. To be honest, I struggle to get the complete 70H up to pitch, so switching to the longer bell is a no-go with the already long slide, but it's fun to experiment with!

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-29 11:27 a.m.

While I'm taking photos, here's the Minick/Conn 62H

in Bb/F/G/Eb

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-29 11:29 a.m.

In Bb/F/Gb/D

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-29 11:32 a.m.

In Bb/F/E/C

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2019-09-30 12:06 p.m.

That E slide is awesome.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2019-09-30 12:18 p.m.

Fossil you're killing me!!!!

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2019-09-30 3:27 p.m.

[quote="WGWTR180"]Fossil you're killing me!!!![/quote]

Thought I would.... see what happens when you buy a new gas torch !

Chris

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2019-12-07 12:41 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]In Bb/F/E/C[/quote]

Just curious about that tuning. On my Olds P-24G I have the optional Eb/D slide for the second valve. It makes the options for the horn Bb/F/Eb/C or Bb/F/D/B. I have never tried an independent with the second valve in E, but how is the outcome Bb/F/E/C possible? How come that setup is not becoming more close to Bb/F/E/C#?

/Tom

biggiesmalls · by **biggiesmalls** » 2019-12-07 8:09 p.m.

It's really great to see all these historical Conns and hear the owner's impressions of them. Very interesting and informative thread. That Minick 62H is killing me too...

Here's a 1950's Elkhart 72H converted to open wrap by Chuck McAlexander at Brasslab. Great player acquired from DJ Kennedy's studio. DJ acquired in trade from a NYC pro player but can't remember who exactly. Nice even blow and lots of that 1950's thin bell flavor. Check out the half moon engraving! Just listed in classifieds.

jeremyesmith · by **jeremyesmith** » 2019-12-07 11:43 p.m.

Here are some articles and pictures of my 1970 Conn 62H that was modified back in January.

Original instrument (FYI, it is NOT for sale) - <LINK_TEXT text="https://www.lastrowmusic.com/1970-conn- ... -trombone/">https://www.lastrowmusic.com/1970-conn-62h-bass-trombone/</LINK_TEXT>

Modification process - https://www.lastrowmusic.com/category/project-bmi62/

sf105 · by **sf105** » 2019-12-08 1:22 p.m.

Is that with Bill's Zirconium mouthpiece?

sf105 · by **sf105** » 2019-12-08 1:24 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]Hopefully I have attached a couple of shots of the 70H.

Chris[/quote]

Is that with Bill's Zircomium mouthpiece?

Beethoven · by **Beethoven** » 2019-12-10 7:34 p.m.

What is the average selling price of a Conn 71H in fair condition?

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2019-12-10 10:31 p.m.

[quote="Beethoven"]What is the average selling price of a Conn 71H in fair condition?[/quote]

If you search eBay, 3 sales come up, with the average around $1000, only considering the model number and sale price.

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2020-03-17 8:50 p.m.

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imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2020-03-18 11:53 a.m.

Nice horn HawaiiTromboneGuy :hi: If I stumble on such a horn I might consider to buy. There are still a few on my whishlist.

/Tom

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-03-21 5:54 a.m.

Conn 60H.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2020-03-21 12:07 p.m.

[quote="jeremyesmith"]Here are some articles and pictures of my 1970 Conn 62H that was modified back in January.

Original instrument (FYI, it is NOT for sale) - <LINK_TEXT text="https://www.lastrowmusic.com/1970-conn- ... -trombone/">https://www.lastrowmusic.com/1970-conn-62h-bass-trombone/</LINK_TEXT>

Modification process - https://www.lastrowmusic.com/category/project-bmi62/[/quote]

So how did this turn out from a playing standpoint? Can you compare from original to conversion?

Thanks.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-04-04 6:07 p.m.

So much spare time at the moment.....

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-04-05 3:07 a.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]So much spare time at the moment.....[/quote]

Did you put a Hagmann valve on one of your Conns? How did it turn out?

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-04-05 3:17 a.m.

Here is a nice Conn 70H from 1948:

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-04-05 3:18 a.m.

And one from 1937:

I had Haag trombones make new slide inners for this one. At the correct length of course.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-04-05 4:32 a.m.

[quote="cozzagiorgi"]<QUOTE author="FOSSIL" post_id="108996" time="1586038051" user_id="7109">
So much spare time at the moment.....[/quote]

Did you put a Hagmann valve on one of your Conns? How did it turn out?
</QUOTE>

No, that's a Rath. The middle one is the new toy.... modern 62H slide converted to tis by John Sandhagen.. it had an extra cross brace but was very heavy, so I modified it , removing the brace and moving the curved brace up and connecting the threaded rod to the hand brace. Works for me. Bell section got a new old valve that seals, open wrap and every joint redone, even though John had already done that. The Conn weight is marmite... people either love it or hate it, but it does the job.

Chris

sf105 · by **sf105** » 2020-04-05 10:39 a.m.

@cozzagiorgi, is the 1937 the one that someone from Spain was selling a while ago? Cool Deco engraving.

Kbiggs · by **Kbiggs** » 2020-04-05 12:37 p.m.

http://imgbox.com/kl0NLPaj

From this pic, it looks there is room for an E slide. The braces/posts are a different style. Did one come with the horn?

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-04-05 1:56 p.m.

[quote="sf105"]@cozzagiorgi, is the 1937 the one that someone from Spain was selling a while ago? Cool Deco engraving.[/quote]

No.

It just sold to a monster player in a symphony orchestra in Holland. I am very happy that this horn went to such a great player and looking forward actually hearing it live - if I can make it to Holland.

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2020-04-05 3:34 p.m.

[quote="Kbiggs"]http://imgbox.com/kl0NLPaj

From this pic, it looks there is room for an E slide. The braces/posts are a different style. Did one come with the horn?[/quote]

That pic you quoted is with the E slide. It came with the horn along with the F slide.

biggiesmalls · by **biggiesmalls** » 2020-10-29 11:04 a.m.

For anyone who is in the mood and has the means, this was just posted by Dillon's: <LINK_TEXT text="https://reverb.com/item/36611921-used-c ... -sn-158075">https://reverb.com/item/36611921-used-conn-bass-lp-bb-f-bass-trombone-sn-158075</LINK_TEXT>

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-10-31 1:58 p.m.

Bass or Tenor? (Erwin Price, using it for Stravinsky's Soldier's Tale, usually played on tenor.)

<ATTACHMENT filename="Erwin-Price.jpg" index="0">~~[attachment=0]~~Erwin-Price.jpg</ATTACHMENT>

<YOUTUBE id="SWQKyek3IGo"><LINK_TEXT text="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQKyek ... =emb_title">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQKyek3IGo&feature=emb_title</LINK_TEXT></YOUTUBE>

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2020-10-31 2:27 p.m.

[quote="jacobgarchik"]Bass or Tenor? (Erwin Price, using it for Stravinsky's Soldier's Tale, usually played on tenor.)

Erwin-Price.jpg

<YOUTUBE id="SWQKyek3IGo"><LINK_TEXT text="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQKyek ... =emb_title">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQKyek3IGo&feature=emb_title</LINK_TEXT></YOUTUBE>[/quote]

Looks like a TIS trombone but don't recognize the wrap. The angle makes it difficult. What Conn tenor had tuning in slide at that time?

/Ton

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-10-31 2:34 p.m.

There are some more glimpses of it in the video.

Not sure which model number this would equate to if it was a tenor. There are early TIS trigger tenors but they look like they had flat wraps.

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn80H1924image.html

But these horns are so uncommon maybe each one was different.

This one could be a special order. Like a 76H with a trigger.

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn76H1924image.html

Could also be a Holton.

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2020-10-31 2:39 p.m.

[quote="jacobgarchik"]8

There are some more glimpses of it in the video.

Not sure which model number this would equate to if it was a tenor. There are early TIS trigger tenors but they look like they had flat wraps.

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn80H1924image.html

But these horns are so uncommon maybe each one was different.

This one could be a special order. Like a 76H with a trigger.

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn76H1924image.html

Could also be a Holton.[/quote]
It could be a 14h? I'm thinking of the small early bass Conn 14h. Chris might know this.

/Tom

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-10-31 5:51 p.m.

[quote="imsevimse"]<QUOTE author="jacobgarchik" post_id="129227" time="1604169249" user_id="3890">8

There are some more glimpses of it in the video.

Not sure which model number this would equate to if it was a tenor. There are early TIS trigger tenors but they look like they had flat wraps.

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn80H1924image.html

But these horns are so uncommon maybe each one was different.

This one could be a special order. Like a 76H with a trigger.

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn76H1924image.html

Could also be a Holton.[/quote]
It could be a 14h? I'm thinking of the small early bass Conn 14h. Chris might know this.

/Tom
</QUOTE>

My 14H is a flat wrap, and his instrument has a later style wrap but that instrument looks like it has Conn style TIS ....could be a Conn...no way I could be sure though. It is some kind of tenor though not a bass...not a modern bass anyway.

Chris

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-10-31 8:08 p.m.

Also looks kind of newish for 1955, both the wrap and the lacquer. But 1955 is late for TIS tenor trombones altogether. Not sure when Conn stopped making TIS tenors.

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2020-11-01 5:40 a.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]<QUOTE author="imsevimse" post_id="129228" time="1604169583" user_id="3173">

It could be a 14h? I'm thinking of the small early bass Conn 14h. Chris might know this.

/Tom[/quote]

My 14H is a flat wrap, and his instrument has a later style wrap but that instrument looks like it has Conn style TIS ....could be a Conn...no way I could be sure though. It is some kind of tenor though not a bass...not a modern bass anyway.

Chris
</QUOTE>

I have searched the Internet sites of trombones and their history and there apparently did exist a Conn 80h that was tenor sized and had TIS, and the later ones might have had that wrap design. If someone could post a picture of such a horn we might solve this. It is not a modern bass trombone so it might not really belong to the subject "Vintage Conn bass trombones.." but at the time it was made it could have been used as a bass. Anyhow, could still be interesting (I'm the OP) and this thread already has had some post about this strange (presumably) Conn trombone.

/Tom

JohnL · by **JohnL** » 2020-11-01 11:28 a.m.

[quote="jacobgarchik"]Bass or Tenor? (Erwin Price, using it for Stravinsky's Soldier's Tale, usually played on tenor.)

Erwin-Price.jpg

<YOUTUBE id="SWQKyek3IGo"><LINK_TEXT text="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQKyek ... =emb_title">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQKyek3IGo&feature=emb_title</LINK_TEXT></YOUTUBE>[/quote]
Some frame grabs from the video - the best resolution is 480p, so there's not much detail there:
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<ATTACHMENT filename="Image1.jpg" index="2">~~[attachment=2]~~Image1.jpg</ATTACHMENT>

HawaiiTromboneGuy · 2020-11-06 8:22 p.m.

[quote="biggiesmalls"]For anyone who is in the mood and has the means, this was just posted by Dillon's: <LINK_TEXT text="https://reverb.com/item/36611921-used-c ... -sn-158075">https://reverb.com/item/36611921-used-conn-bass-lp-bb-f-bass-trombone-sn-158075</LINK_TEXT>[/quote]

So I ended up getting this horn. Funny thing is, I was in contact with Adam the day before it was posted here trying to see if they would be able to ship it via USPS priority as the only option shown at checkout was UPS which was running $229+ for ground shipping.

Anyways, here’s some additional photos of the horn. It has a 9” red brass bell and measures at .596” at the soldered on stockings. Couple of interesting things I noticed are the nickel silver outer tubes, guard on the F tuning slide, and the rotor being opposite of how it’s normally installed. Also, the pointy triangular bar mechanism used to actuate the valve.

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Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2020-11-06 8:31 p.m.

Those look like soldered on stockings, so the bore of the slide is probably a bit smaller than the bore at the stockings. Sweet horn though, how does it play?

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2020-11-06 8:34 p.m.

[quote="Burgerbob"]Those look like soldered on stockings, so the bore of the slide is probably a bit smaller than the bore at the stockings. Sweet horn though, how does it play?[/quote]

You’re right. I hadn’t thought about that. Haven’t played it yet. Just got delivered and the first thing I did was take photos instead of playing :amazed: :biggrin: :shuffle:

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-06 10:14 p.m.

My first F-attachment horn, an Olds Ambassador, had the rotor installed like that. Also, a school owned King Symphony that I played in High School. So "upside down" valves were not that uncommon.

I wound up making a guard from an old plastic 35 mm film container to put over the mechanism so I didn't chafe my chin too badly.

Very interesting horn. Enjoy it.

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2020-11-06 10:29 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]My first F-attachment horn, an Olds Ambassador, had the rotor installed like that. Also, a school owned King Symphony that I played in High School. So "upside down" valves were not that uncommon.

I wound up making a guard from an old plastic 35 mm film container to put over the mechanism so I didn't chafe my chin too badly.

Very interesting horn. Enjoy it.[/quote]

Good idea. It definitely rubs my neck when valve is in use.

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2020-11-06 10:29 p.m.

Some vintage bell comparisons:

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mrdeacon · by **mrdeacon** » 2020-11-07 12:28 a.m.

That triangle mechanism on the new horn is super neat!

So what's the difference between the bell throats on all three of these? The middle one is the Fuchs right?

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2020-11-07 12:42 a.m.

[quote="mrdeacon"]That triangle mechanism on the new horn is super neat!
[/quote]

I'll point out that this same mechanism is on the early 20th century Kruspe that swisstbone has up in another thread. Very interesting.

Oh, also I love the little tiny guard on the F attachment tuning slide. Never seen that before!!

HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2020-11-07 1:43 a.m.

[quote="mrdeacon"]That triangle mechanism on the new horn is super neat!

So what's the difference between the bell throats on all three of these? The middle one is the Fuchs right?[/quote]
It is indeed pretty neat!

And correct, the one in the middle is the Fuchs. The Fuchs is definitely the biggest of the three. The one to the right is very similar. The newest one on the left is the smallest of the bunch and is more like the small throat 70H.

[quote="Burgerbob"]I'll point out that this same mechanism is on the early 20th century Kruspe that swisstbone has up in another thread. Very interesting.

Oh, also I love the little tiny guard on the F attachment tuning slide. Never seen that before!![/quote]
Good observation! I just took a look at his photos and it definitely is the same mechanism on his Kruspe.

That tiny guard on the F tuning slide is definitely cool. I haven’t seen one like it before as well, but I’m sure the Conn experts will know more.

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-11-07 5:50 a.m.

Hm? Triangle mechanism? On the valve? Sorry, I don't understand.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-07 11:44 a.m.

[quote="SwissTbone"]Hm? Triangle mechanism? On the valve? Sorry, I don't understand.[/quote]

The strap on the thong pulls on a triangular (approximately) shaped mechanism to turn the valve.

Kbiggs · by **Kbiggs** » 2020-11-07 12:23 p.m.

What a gorgeous collection!

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-11-07 2:03 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]<QUOTE author="SwissTbone" post_id="129907" time="1604746202" user_id="62">
Hm? Triangle mechanism? On the valve? Sorry, I don't understand.[/quote]

The strap on the thong pulls on a triangular (approximately) shaped mechanism to turn the valve.
</QUOTE>

Ah ok. Thanks.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-20 10:26 a.m.

Just built a slot in second valve for my 60H. Conn valve and tube except for the mid-size bend.

Chris

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-20 10:28 a.m.

Another angle...

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-11-20 12:33 p.m.

Yeah! That's cool!

elmsandr · by **elmsandr** » 2020-11-20 1:55 p.m.

Long lever AND string linkage?

Ridiculous, and oh so beautiful.

Cheers,

Andy

Kbiggs · by **Kbiggs** » 2020-11-20 2:57 p.m.

Wild! Interesting thumb touch—plate arrangement. E or E-flat?

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-20 3:07 p.m.

[quote="elmsandr"]Long lever AND string linkage?

Ridiculous, and oh so beautiful.

Cheers,

Andy[/quote]

Ha ha ! Second string linkage slot in I've built.....miniball at the other end keeps it online..... with string on the F valve, you pretty much have to have string on the second due to the very short throw with string. Nice and silent. The connecting rod is hollow, so light.

Chris

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-20 3:12 p.m.

[quote="Kbiggs"]Wild! Interesting thumb touch—plate arrangement. E or E-flat?[/quote]

Touch plate is like the Holton slot in mechanism. Not perfect, but this is for occasional use and to be honest, it's better than I expected. It's Eb....I could add D tube easily.

Chris

Savio · by **Savio** » 2020-11-20 3:38 p.m.

Thats nice Chris! You make it your self? I put a weight on my 60h. Just to make it more balanced in my hands. Here is a picture. Its not nice but after some time with this solution I also feel to make it permanent.

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Leif

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-20 6:42 p.m.

[quote="Savio"]Thats nice Chris! You make it your self? I put a weight on my 60h. Just to make it more balanced in my hands. Here is a picture. Its not nice but after some time with this solution I also feel to make it permanent.

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Leif[/quote]

Yes Leif, I built it myself...no way could I afford all the custom stuff I have if I didn't do my own work. That was around 10 hours, but it doesn't have a final finish yet, but then nor does the 60H..... they may just stay like that. A balance weight on a 60H is a good idea.....I have one on the plain F tuning slide myself.

Chris

Tbarh · by **Tbarh** » 2020-11-22 5:32 a.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]Another angle...[/quote]
In my opinion, a trombone should be really back heavy, and also the valve tubing layout should leave more weight on the neckpipe side of the bell... In this respect this horn should be a dream to play ergonomically.. And a 60H at that... :good: :good: :good:

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-22 6:10 a.m.

[quote="Tbarh"]<QUOTE author="FOSSIL" post_id="131037" time="1605886104" user_id="7109">
Another angle...[/quote]
In my opinion, a trombone should be really back heavy, and also the valve tubing layout should leave more weight on the neckpipe side of the bell... In this respect this horn should be a dream to play ergonomically.. And a 60H at that... :good: :good: :good:
</QUOTE>
You are so right, it's a dream ergonomically....though there are times when the ease of use of the independent will displace it... but that may be rare indeed. I made one for a 71H that I had and totally loved it, but one of my students needed it for his 60H, so I sold it to him. Always regretted that, so now I have an open wrap slot in !!

There are a few interesting changes that the valve has created.... it still feels like a single, not a double, and the F valve blows better with this added valve in place. No negatives so far and about 50 grams heavier than the plain tuning slide that has a Conn balance weight added, So feel in the hand is not too different.

Can't wait to get back to work with it....three weeks to go until some recordings...bring it on !

Chris

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2020-11-22 8:28 a.m.

Chris. Blown away with this. If I lived closer(HAHA), had a 60H(HAHA), I'd pay you to do this!!!

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-22 9:18 a.m.

[quote="WGWTR180"]Chris. Blown away with this. If I lived closer(HAHA), had a 60H(HAHA), I'd pay you to do this!!![/quote]

If you lived closer, I probably wouldn't have any work at all !! <EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI>. It's funny how the Holton slot-in changes the 169 in a big, fundamental kind of way.... people either hated it (Ray Premru) or loved it (Dave Taylor) but the Holton slot ins either stayed in or were never used. This valve seems to be less intrusive.

As for building for other people, that takes a lot of fun out of it.... this was just an experiment and if it was a failure it would not matter a jot. I could walk away. Once I commit to a job for someone, pressure comes into the equation...and deciding what to charge.... the need to be fair and still not make a loss. That adds up to stress.

Any jobs I choose with great care....friends and students for the most part. Now, if you lived closer Bill, you would definitely be on my approved list ! <EMOJI seq="1f609" tseq="1f609">😉</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f609" tseq="1f609">😉</EMOJI>.

Chris

sf105 · by **sf105** » 2020-11-22 12:05 p.m.

[quote="Savio"]Thats nice Chris! You make it your self? I put a weight on my 60h. Just to make it more balanced in my hands. Here is a picture. Its not nice but after some time with this solution I also feel to make it permanent.

~~[url]~~<LINK_TEXT text="https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhfxJG3R ... w?e=6t7xWZ">https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhfxJG3R5MDkudCZufw?e=6t7xWZ</LINK_TEXT>

Leif[/quote]

I have a couple of horns that are very front heavy. I went for the spare mouthpiece and electrical tape solution. Ugly but effective.

S

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-22 1:52 p.m.

Electrical tape....useful if you want to make a bright sound....<EMOJI seq="1f602" tseq="1f602">😂</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f602" tseq="1f602">😂</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f644" tseq="1f644">🙄</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f644" tseq="1f644">🙄</EMOJI>.

Chris

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-11-22 1:55 p.m.

Here you go....balance weight on F tuning slide...

Chris

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2020-11-22 7:03 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="131229" time="1606051707" user_id="7573">
Chris. Blown away with this. If I lived closer(HAHA), had a 60H(HAHA), I'd pay you to do this!!![/quote]

If you lived closer, I probably wouldn't have any work at all !! <EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI>. It's funny how the Holton slot-in changes the 169 in a big, fundamental kind of way.... people either hated it (Ray Premru) or loved it (Dave Taylor) but the Holton slot ins either stayed in or were never used. This valve seems to be less intrusive.

As for building for other people, that takes a lot of fun out of it.... this was just an experiment and if it was a failure it would not matter a jot. I could walk away. Once I commit to a job for someone, pressure comes into the equation...and deciding what to charge.... the need to be fair and still not make a loss. That adds up to stress.

Any jobs I choose with great care....friends and students for the most part. Now, if you lived closer Bill, you would definitely be on my approved list ! <EMOJI seq="1f609" tseq="1f609">😉</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f609" tseq="1f609">😉</EMOJI>.

Chris
</QUOTE>

Wouldn't want to cause any pressure. I'm thinking playing, crash course in soldering, and beer drinking. Rinse and repeat. 😉

GabrielRice · by **GabrielRice** » 2020-11-23 8:59 a.m.

[quote="WGWTR180"]Wouldn't want to cause any pressure. I'm thinking playing, crash course in soldering, and beer drinking. Rinse and repeat. 😉[/quote]

That sounds like huge fun. Can I come?

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2020-11-23 10:02 a.m.

[quote="GabrielRice"]<QUOTE author="WGWTR180" post_id="131285" time="1606089823" user_id="7573">
Wouldn't want to cause any pressure. I'm thinking playing, crash course in soldering, and beer drinking. Rinse and repeat. 😉[/quote]

That sounds like huge fun. Can I come?
</QUOTE>

Oh Yeh!!!!!!!!

mlshermancpa · by **mlshermancpa** » 2020-12-04 9:06 p.m.

[quote="Bloo"]Played a 110H from the 60s with a custom Hagmann valve. It was loaned from a professor at my local uni. I played bass in a community brass choir for a year. It blended easily and was loud enough to only be one of two basses.

I also used it to play a few performances with my brass quintet. We performed before the choir a few times, and travel arrangements meant I was unable to take my tenor. With a tenor mouthpiece, the 110h still sounded wonderful and did the job. Not as well as a tenor, but as well as a bass could.

The 110h suited any style I wanted to use it for, and even stepped outside of the role and filled a tenor role on occasion. It was a dream to play. The only thing I don't like is how large the bell is. Would much prefer a 9 - 8.5 inch bell over the 10" monster I played.

Overall?

I really want one and I ache every time I play my current bass.[/quote]

How do you think the 110H holds up (sound wise) against the older vintage Conn models? I have a 110H but haven't played many other horns for comparison purposes. Just started doubling a few years ago.

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2020-12-05 7:34 a.m.

[quote="mlshermancpa"]<QUOTE author="Bloo" post_id="89677" time="1563155387" user_id="3870">
Played a 110H from the 60s with a custom Hagmann valve. It was loaned from a professor at my local uni. I played bass in a community brass choir for a year. It blended easily and was loud enough to only be one of two basses.

I also used it to play a few performances with my brass quintet. We performed before the choir a few times, and travel arrangements meant I was unable to take my tenor. With a tenor mouthpiece, the 110h still sounded wonderful and did the job. Not as well as a tenor, but as well as a bass could.

The 110h suited any style I wanted to use it for, and even stepped outside of the role and filled a tenor role on occasion. It was a dream to play. The only thing I don't like is how large the bell is. Would much prefer a 9 - 8.5 inch bell over the 10" monster I played.

Overall?

I really want one and I ache every time I play my current bass.[/quote]

How do you think the 110H holds up (sound wise) against the older vintage Conn models? I have a 110H but haven't played many other horns for comparison purposes. Just started doubling a few years ago.
</QUOTE>

Interesting to hear about the 110h as well as the 112h compared to the older ones. We do not hear as much about them as the earlier models. Personally I have never played one and never met any basstrombonist with either one over here. I'm Interested to learn more about this too.

/Tom

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-05 10:02 a.m.

Here's my double set up for Bb/F/bE/C....not as funcky as my previous set up, but it blows better.

Chris

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-07 2:24 p.m.

Remember that slot in that I built a few weeks ago ? Well, I'm back to work tomorrow and am taking it in.... except that when I tried to put it in my carbon fiber case, it didn't fit....fact it was not going in any of my cases...even my leather gig bag was not happy taking this bell.....finally, I tried an Eastman....it fits !!!! This is the big bass case and not really my fav, but it is the most accommodating of all my boxes and has saved the day. A good case if you have an odd shaped trombone....thought I'd share that info.

Chris

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-07 2:25 p.m.

JohnL · by **JohnL** » 2020-12-07 3:05 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]Well, I'm back to work tomorrow...[/quote] :good:

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-07 3:39 p.m.

[quote="JohnL"]<QUOTE author="FOSSIL" post_id="132965" time="1607369046" user_id="7109">Well, I'm back to work tomorrow...[/quote] :good:
</QUOTE>

Thanks....gonna feel odd <EMOJI seq="1f610" tseq="1f610">😐</EMOJI>

Chris

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-11 5:40 p.m.

Well, especially for WGW I have reworked my slot in valve so that the valve is not offset.... one for you Bill !!!<EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI>

mrdeacon · by **mrdeacon** » 2020-12-12 2:27 a.m.

Chris is that a certain 2g I spot in the 60h?

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-12 6:11 a.m.

[quote="mrdeacon"]Chris is that a certain 2g I spot in the 60h?[/quote]

At times it's an uncertain 2G...but yes, your old 2G. Working really well in the orchestra....as is your old 60H.

Chris

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2020-12-12 1:37 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]Well, especially for WGW I have reworked my slot in valve so that the valve is not offset.... one for you Bill !!!<EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI><EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI>[/quote]

Thank you!!! :amazed: :amazed:

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-12 2:49 p.m.

Well Bill, that was what I originally planned, but I decided to put tube either side of the main horn, which meant that the valve twisted.... I thought about what you said and decided to change it. I was able to lose the long brace that was needed before and was not in a good place and so the valve now blows twice as well !!

Thanks Bill !!

Chris

Tbarh · by **Tbarh** » 2020-12-12 8:16 p.m.

[quote="mrdeacon"]Chris is that a certain 2g I spot in the 60h?[/quote]

Is this the "certain" 2G that are used as a Model for a newer certain english made copy? :biggrin:

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-12 9:00 p.m.

[quote="Tbarh"]<QUOTE author="mrdeacon" post_id="133579" time="1607758029" user_id="3239">
Chris is that a certain 2g I spot in the 60h?[/quote]

Is this the "certain" 2G that are used as a Model for a newer certain english made copy? :biggrin:
</QUOTE>

Nope... that was his other one. <EMOJI seq="1f601" tseq="1f601">😁</EMOJI>

Chris

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2020-12-13 8:40 a.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]Well Bill, that was what I originally planned, but I decided to put tube either side of the main horn, which meant that the valve twisted.... I thought about what you said and decided to change it. I was able to lose the long brace that was needed before and was not in a good place and so the valve now blows twice as well !!

Thanks Bill !!

Chris[/quote]

It really is great that you can do this work yourself! Or a curse depending on how one looks at it. Either way you have a wonderful instrument that works for you.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-12-13 9:33 a.m.

Yes Bill, it can be a curse...but very rarely. Just doing it for myself is a relaxation....and you learn. I suspected that the brace on the old design was a bad thing but it had to be there and it had to be where it was. Get rid of it and I have a different valve...much more free and centered.

When mrdeacon sold me the 60H he was very honest and said it was a bad horn....and it was ! I thought I might be able to save it, and here we are a few months on with a great horn. A lot has changed but all the original metal is still there, excepting the leadpipe which is now a 70H pipe.

Chris

JackSchatz · by **JackSchatz** » 2020-12-14 3:50 p.m.

I wanted to respond to the question of what Erwin Price was playing. Erwin was my first trombone teacher. Marvelous player. The horn Erwin was playing in the above pictures was a Conn 80H. .522 bore tuning in the slide. The 80H was also made with a flat wrap like the 14H but unlike the 14H which was a duo bore slide , the 80H had a straight bore of .522.

imsevimse · by **imsevimse** » 2020-12-17 4:14 p.m.

[quote="JackSchatz"]I wanted to respond to the question of what Erwin Price was playing. Erwin was my first trombone teacher. Marvelous player. The horn Erwin was playing in the above pictures was a Conn 80H. .522 bore tuning in the slide. The 80H was also made with a flat wrap like the 14H but unlike the 14H which was a duo bore slide , the 80H had a straight bore of .522.[/quote]

Thanks :good:

/Tom

blast · by **blast** » 2022-06-13 11:38 a.m.

Old topic but I wanted to share a new project....

blast · by **blast** » 2022-06-13 11:39 a.m.

I call it the 'opera wrap'

blast · by **blast** » 2022-06-13 11:41 a.m.

Works in small spaces as it doesn't stick out the back and has a small slide to easily empty water.

blast · by **blast** » 2022-06-13 11:43 a.m.

Will also have Eb extention tubes....

elmsandr · by **elmsandr** » 2022-06-13 1:03 p.m.

Perfect. Filing this away for when I make my next valve section. I do so hate the wraps sticking out the back.

Cheers,

Andy

Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2022-06-13 1:15 p.m.

[quote="blast"]Works in small spaces as it doesn't stick out the back and has a small slide to easily empty water.[/quote]

Brilliant! :good:

goldendomer04 · by **goldendomer04** » 2022-06-16 9:58 p.m.

I just wanted to share my new toy from Noah Gladstone. This had been his personal bass and was previously owned by Jeff Reynolds.

Jeff Reynolds had the horn modified by Minick and Noah had Robb Stewart add the tuning wheel.

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HawaiiTromboneGuy · by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » 2022-12-07 2:05 a.m.

Thought I would also add to this thread. Was fortunate enough to purchase German’s 62H that he had listed here on the forum. The horn is absolutely gorgeous and is completely stock/original.

I was also fortunate enough to purchase this 1935 70H SPEC from J Landress during their Black Friday sale.

Unfortunately though I did have my three wisdom teeth pulled out this past Wednesday. Tomorrow marks a full week since and my gums are still healing. At least I have something to look forward to once I’m all healed up!

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