1970's Bach 42B
- Jimbbob
- Posts: 79
- Joined: Oct 10, 2019
Hello all. New member here.
After a very long absence I have rediscovered the love of playing trombone. After playing in high school in the early 80's, I took about a 35 year break from playing. I have recently found a community band and a swing/jazz band and am happily relearning my craft on the 3rd trombone part!
I found this old horn and gave it a thorough cleaning. It was not treated real well in the 81-83 marching seasons, but it is intact and plays beautifully still. I find myself enjoying the swing band the most and have picked up a cheap 606 for that band. My question is: what kind of value is there in this old Bach 42B? I know it's suited more for band/symphonic type playing, and that is really not where my interest lies right now.
Believe it or not, I have the original receipt (thanks Mom), not that that matters. There is a crease in the bell that was repaired, and there are red spots (not "rot" as the spots appear to be only on the surface), and then normal wear marks on all the typical contact places. The case is beat up, but is the original French style case.
What do I do with this thing? Should I keep? Try to sell as is? Dump some money into a restoration?
Would appreciate any thoughts/guidance.
Jim
After a very long absence I have rediscovered the love of playing trombone. After playing in high school in the early 80's, I took about a 35 year break from playing. I have recently found a community band and a swing/jazz band and am happily relearning my craft on the 3rd trombone part!
I found this old horn and gave it a thorough cleaning. It was not treated real well in the 81-83 marching seasons, but it is intact and plays beautifully still. I find myself enjoying the swing band the most and have picked up a cheap 606 for that band. My question is: what kind of value is there in this old Bach 42B? I know it's suited more for band/symphonic type playing, and that is really not where my interest lies right now.
Believe it or not, I have the original receipt (thanks Mom), not that that matters. There is a crease in the bell that was repaired, and there are red spots (not "rot" as the spots appear to be only on the surface), and then normal wear marks on all the typical contact places. The case is beat up, but is the original French style case.
What do I do with this thing? Should I keep? Try to sell as is? Dump some money into a restoration?
Would appreciate any thoughts/guidance.
Jim
- paulyg
- Posts: 689
- Joined: May 17, 2018
Corp horns like this are great candidates for valve conversions. Eric Edwards does them with Instrument Innovations rotary valves. Maybe look him up.
- bimmerman
- Posts: 188
- Joined: Apr 04, 2018
If you have space to keep it, it never hurts to have both a large bore and a small bore. You could also sell it and make a few bucks, but if it were me I'd keep it. You never know when you might get invited to play in a quintet or a more orchestral-sounding community band.
- brassmedic
- Posts: 1447
- Joined: Dec 14, 2018
I wouldn't sink a bunch of money into it if it weren't a horn I was planning to use at all. Maybe it's an optical illusion, but the bell brace looks bent. There's also some possibly sketchy solder work at the receiver, and a broken F-attachment brace. Maybe get that stuff fixed, but otherwise it's a nice vintage 42B with a little bit of lacquer wear at contact points, just like millions of other used trombones. If you think you might ever use it then keep it. If not, sell it. You should be able to get a decent amount of money for it.
- Jimbbob
- Posts: 79
- Joined: Oct 10, 2019
Thank you for the replies. Good eye brassmedic. Yes, I don't remember the incident, but a repair job was done back in the 80's and I see a small piece of "steel" in the joint near the circular F valve cover (sorry don't know the technical name). That solder job seems to have done the trick, but the bell seems too close to the slide when playing.
I'm going to an equipment repair shop tomorrow to get an estimate on getting that straightened as well as getting a brace for the f tubing.
I don't want to be without a large bore horn. I've found a deal on an ETB 432 Eastman horn for $300. So, I'm thinking of doing a "downgrade" on the large bore, and maybe using the extra money to get a decent small bore horn for jazz.
Based on completing the repair work, and some research I've done, I'm thinking somewhere in the $1000-$1500 range for this horn. Is that ballpark?
Thank you again for the replies.
I'm going to an equipment repair shop tomorrow to get an estimate on getting that straightened as well as getting a brace for the f tubing.
I don't want to be without a large bore horn. I've found a deal on an ETB 432 Eastman horn for $300. So, I'm thinking of doing a "downgrade" on the large bore, and maybe using the extra money to get a decent small bore horn for jazz.
Based on completing the repair work, and some research I've done, I'm thinking somewhere in the $1000-$1500 range for this horn. Is that ballpark?
Thank you again for the replies.
- Mikebmiller
- Posts: 961
- Joined: Mar 27, 2018
I had one just like that that I got used in 1977 for $275. I got it refurbished in the mid 90s and then ended up selling it after getting a used Edwards. I wish I still had it. That horn survived me falling off the back of a riser when I was at a regional orchestra clinic one time. I dropped it and the bell ended up at an interesting angle to the slide. If it is in useable condition, I would say get it looked over by a good brass tech and keep it.
- MalecHeermans
- Posts: 141
- Joined: Apr 23, 2018
Probably a keeper. That’s a prime era for those horns.
- jbeatenbough
- Posts: 338
- Joined: Dec 13, 2019
I love my 70's 42B... I will never part with it. It is a great sounding horn. I would vote for you to keep it. I would only do the minimal repairs to keep it solid and playable. I always recommend the slide doctor.
- Bonearzt
- Posts: 833
- Joined: Mar 22, 2018
Meh, it's junk! I'll give you $100 to relieve you of your boat anchor......https://trombonechat.com/images/icons/smile/mrgreen.gif
GREAT horn!!! and worthy of some TCL!!!
Eric
GREAT horn!!! and worthy of some TCL!!!
Eric
- tbonesullivan
- Posts: 1959
- Joined: Jul 02, 2019
Looks like the slide was bent towards the bell at some point, bending the brace and the valve knuckle. I would say it's worth fixing though, definitely, even if you plan to sell it. Horns that need work never sell well.