mouthpiece question

dukesboneman · by **dukesboneman** » 2020-02-16 9:18 p.m.

I switched from a bach 7C to a Schilke 51B for my small bore mouthpiece.

I`m finding that the 51B is just a little too deep for my lead playing.

I wish Schilke made a 51 series with a Bach style "C" cup or bach made a 5C .

Any suggestions for an equivalent?

Bach5G · by **Bach5G** » 2020-02-16 9:22 p.m.

Look at Hammond.

Kingfan · by **Kingfan** » 2020-02-16 10:17 p.m.

Check with Doug Elliott. He can come up with a rim/cup/shank combo to meet anybody's needs.

FullPedalTrombonist · by **FullPedalTrombonist** » 2020-02-16 10:23 p.m.

They do make a 4C.

I think Hammond’s 12 is the equivalent to a “5” size. Stork’s T1 I think is a little smaller. Doug Elliott always.

CharlieB · by **CharlieB** » 2020-02-16 11:27 p.m.

Something else to think about besides cup shape.....

You're accustomed to a Bach 7C that has a bore of 0.227".

The Schilke 51B has a bore of 0.257".

Pretty big jump.

Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2020-02-17 12:01 a.m.

[quote="dukesboneman"]I`m finding that the 51B is just a little too deep for my lead playing.[/quote]

Are you sure that it's only the mouthpiece "depth" that's so different?"

Schilke 51B is actually a pretty shallow mouthpiece, but (in addition to a much larger cup I.D. than the Bach 7C - 25.63mm vs. 24 75mm) - it has a much larger throat (25.63mm vs. 5.85mm). Apples vs grapefruit.

Suggestion: Contact Doug Elliott for a mouthpice that's just right for you – or try a slightly larger stock mouthpiece such as a Bach 6¾C, a Schilke 47 or 47B, or a Bach 6½A, or a Denis Wick 7CS.

jtbandmusic · by **jtbandmusic** » 2020-02-17 12:19 a.m.

Schilke is like the shallow end of a symphonic mouthpiece, but still symphonic.

Try a Yamaha 51B. A bit smaller diameter than a Schilke 51B, and considerably shallower.

John Thompson

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2020-02-17 7:16 p.m.

What kind of lead playing?

dukesboneman · by **dukesboneman** » 2020-02-18 8:24 p.m.

Mostly Big Band , Funk band

FullPedalTrombonist · by **FullPedalTrombonist** » 2020-02-18 8:35 p.m.

I have a Harry Watters mouthpiece for sale, but I feel it’s smaller than a 51 rim and bigger sound-wise than a 7C. It’s a ripping mouthpiece, though. And I just remembered about the Nils Landgren Yamaha mouthpiece. It’s cheaper than a Watters, but also more 6-1/2-ish and deeper.

Slidehamilton · by **Slidehamilton** » 2020-02-18 10:34 p.m.

Try a 5gs. They are not much deeper than a C cup.

Kingfan · by **Kingfan** » 2020-02-18 11:05 p.m.

I have a 5GS I don't need any more. Happy to make a deal on it.

Trav1s · by **Trav1s** » 2020-02-21 10:09 a.m.

Doug fit my current .522" mouthpiece combo at ITF 2018: LT102/LT-D/LT-D4

The Elliott combo abruptly ended my 30 year love affair with various Schilke 51Bs and I have not looked back.

With than in mind, he suggested the LT102/LT-C+/LT-D2 is the combo I use for my 24H and 32H.

I can also use the C+ cup in place of the D and it gives the larger horns more bite but the D cup is a great fit for my 79H.

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