Bourgeois Concerto: where'd the line go?
- harrisonreed
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Why is the best line in the 2nd movement missing? Do you only get that if you rent the parts? I got this piece after listening to it for decades only to find that my favorite part isn't in the version with piano! What gives?!
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Not that it isn't a difficult part to work out, but what was the publisher thinking? Too loud when played with just a piano?
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Not that it isn't a difficult part to work out, but what was the publisher thinking? Too loud when played with just a piano?
- LeTromboniste
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It's an optional doubling of the orchestral tutti. I can't remember if the solo part I have had it printed but I remember it's clear on the orchestral score that it is ad lib.
EDIT: Just checked the wind ensemble score, and the doubling is not in the score (i.e. the solo part is resting). I do remember seeing it printed as 'ad lib' somewhere, but it might be in the solo part or piano score I have. :idk:
EDIT: Just checked the wind ensemble score, and the doubling is not in the score (i.e. the solo part is resting). I do remember seeing it printed as 'ad lib' somewhere, but it might be in the solo part or piano score I have. :idk:
- harrisonreed
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[quote="LeTromboniste"]It's an optional doubling of the orchestral tutti. I can't remember if the solo part I have had it printed but I remember it's clear on the orchestral score that it is ad lib.
EDIT: Just checked the wind ensemble score, and the doubling is not in the score (i.e. the solo part is resting). I do remember seeing it printed as 'ad lib' somewhere, but it might be in the solo part or piano score I have. :idk:[/quote]
You are so right. It is in the piano score, but not in the solo part! So sneaky, but frankly quite silly. I don't want to pay publishers to play tricks when I buy a score...
There have been some other times when the published solo part has been different from the rental parts that I've noticed, in other pieces.
EDIT: Just checked the wind ensemble score, and the doubling is not in the score (i.e. the solo part is resting). I do remember seeing it printed as 'ad lib' somewhere, but it might be in the solo part or piano score I have. :idk:[/quote]
You are so right. It is in the piano score, but not in the solo part! So sneaky, but frankly quite silly. I don't want to pay publishers to play tricks when I buy a score...
There have been some other times when the published solo part has been different from the rental parts that I've noticed, in other pieces.
- LeTromboniste
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Personally, after hearing it both ways, I find it more convincing musically when the soloist doesn't play that line if accompanied by an orchestra/concert band. I've never heard someone play it with just piano but in that situation I can conceive of it being nicer with the trombone.
- BurckhardtS
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It's in the piano part. I think it was meant to be left in ad lib, but left out entirely by accident. If you can pull it off, in my opinion it is worth doing it, but might not be the best option if you don't have the endurance to make it through the 3rd movement and do that. I played it.
- harrisonreed
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Yeah that is my favorite part! I almost want to hold the last note of that line out longer than is written, to end with the rest of the orchestra/band where they cut off.
Looking back at the solo part you can see where it goes into bass clef during the rests for no reason, and then back again to tenor clef.
Looking back at the solo part you can see where it goes into bass clef during the rests for no reason, and then back again to tenor clef.
- BurckhardtS
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Yeah, it looks like a notation software fail, if anything.