An interesting Conn 88H

Trombonestud · by **Trombonestud** » 2020-05-17 8:38 p.m.

Hello,

I am in no financial position to buy this horn, and am in no way connected to the auction, but thought some of you may find it interesting.

<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nice-Conn-88H- ... 1438.l2649">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nice-Conn-88H-Cristian-Lindberg-88HCL-Professional-Trigger-Trombone-Mpc-Case/324168283486?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649</LINK_TEXT>

The CL rotor is marked patent pending, which implies it is a nice early example.

Perhaps more interestingly, the outer slide is a lightweight, of the same construction as used on the Conn 100H of the same period.

I have never seen a factory lightweight 88H slide, and didn't even know the option was available.

Just something neat.

Trombonestud

PS - this seller has some other neat horns, including Darth Vader's trumpet (I always figured the dark side was populated by trumpet players, but it is nice to have such clear confirmation) ;)

greenbean · by **greenbean** » 2020-05-17 10:01 p.m.

That is how Conn made (at least some) dual-bore slides. .547/.563

brassmedic · by **brassmedic** » 2020-05-18 4:15 a.m.

Seems overpriced.

BoomtownRath · by **BoomtownRath** » 2020-08-23 3:34 p.m.

A friend of mine who play's in the band of the defense forces in Ireland got issued with a Conn 88H with a CL valve and he doesn't enjoy playing on it, the valve displaces the air too quickly he said, difficult to fill.

Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2020-08-23 6:03 p.m.

[quote="BoomtownRath"]A friend of mine who play's in the band of the defense forces in Ireland got issued with a Conn 88H with a CL valve and he doesn't enjoy playing on it, the valve displaces the air too quickly he said, difficult to fill.[/quote]

Offer to take it off his hands. In good condition, the 88CL is a very fine trombone!

Nerby · by **Nerby** » 2020-08-23 7:35 p.m.

Interesting. I am the person who sold him that horn, no mistaking it. I played the horn for 4-5 years, and it was pretty nice, but I just upgraded. And yes, that is overpriced. There's not much special about it, an 88HCL with a dual bore .547-.562 slide. The valve played very open, and on that note, the whole horn did. I sold it to get a Shires, and opted for a single bore so I could 'hopefully' make longer phrases, and run out of breath less. I really liked how it played though, and so did most of the people I handed it to to blow some notes.

I will be shocked if he can sell it for more than $1300 or so, that's how much I got for it.

walldaja · by **walldaja** » 2020-08-23 9:02 p.m.

Sold for $1895.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-08-23 9:31 p.m.

[quote="Posaunus"]<QUOTE author="BoomtownRath" post_id="123579" time="1598211281" user_id="7885">
A friend of mine who play's in the band of the defense forces in Ireland got issued with a Conn 88H with a CL valve and he doesn't enjoy playing on it, the valve displaces the air too quickly he said, difficult to fill.[/quote]

Offer to take it off his hands. In good condition, the 88CL is a very fine trombone!
</QUOTE>

:idk: :idk:

"Please sell me your government issued 88HCL"

:idk: :idk: :???: :shuffle:

Nerby · by **Nerby** » 2020-08-23 9:35 p.m.

Unsold, he relisted it at the same price. <LINK_TEXT text="https://www.ebay.com/itm/324231115085?V ... 4231115085">https://www.ebay.com/itm/324231115085?ViewItem=&item=324231115085</LINK_TEXT>

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2020-08-23 10:09 p.m.

[quote="greenbean"]That is how Conn made (at least some) dual-bore slides. .547/.563[/quote]

I heard the same.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-08-24 12:40 a.m.

How did it sell and then not sell? I thought eBay had rules against bidding on your own item?

Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2020-08-24 12:51 a.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]How did it sell and then not sell? I thought eBay had rules against bidding on your own item?[/quote]

I don't think it ever sold. The listing expired with no bids, so the seller re-listed it.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-08-24 12:59 a.m.

Oh, Dave has said it sold at $1895 or something. Ebay is mysterious

Vegasbound · by **Vegasbound** » 2020-08-24 4:58 a.m.

Seller will either get the price eventually or slowly reduce the price in future listings until it reaches the level the market will pay

BoomtownRath · by **BoomtownRath** » 2020-08-24 5:08 p.m.

[quote="Posaunus"]Offer to take it off his hands. In good condition, the 88CL is a very fine trombone![/quote]

It's a government issued instrument..... What I've failed to disclose is that it has a SGX sterling bell. They got a deal on them, absolutely no idea of the details but I shall enquire more!!

btone · by **btone** » 2020-08-29 9:28 p.m.

I am hoping someone can help me answer a question. Was there a change in the length of the Conn 88h handslide after the Elkhart period? If anyone knows I would be very interested. Having regretted selling my college Elkhart 88h about 20 years ago, I recently picked up, for nostalgic reasons, a nice 1978 horn for a good price. Having had some other Elkhart horns with the longer slides, and assuming the 88h was the same, I was surprised to see how much shorter the slide on this one is than my old 72H. Any insight will be appreciated.

Kevbach33 · by **Kevbach33** » 2020-08-29 10:01 p.m.

[quote="btone"]I am hoping someone can help me answer a question. Was there a change in the length of the Conn 88h handslide after the Elkhart period? If anyone knows I would be very interested. Having regretted selling my college Elkhart 88h about 20 years ago, I recently picked up, for nostalgic reasons, a nice 1978 horn for a good price. Having had some other Elkhart horns with the longer slides, and assuming the 88h was the same, I was surprised to see how much shorter the slide on this one is than my old 72H. Any insight will be appreciated.[/quote]

I know that the 7xH basses (having played a 71H) have longer than normal slides, I think by up to 2 inches in some cases, compensated with a shorter bell section.

The only 88H I've played on was my mid high school director's, an Eastlake generation instrument. From what little I can remember, I don't recall slide length being an issue.

Sorry that I can't add any more than that.

drbucher · 2022-06-11 11:45 a.m.

I have a relatively new (2019) 88H with rotor valve and traditional wrap, and of course the 0.562"-bore in the f attachment, which works surprisingly well. If other trombones have this bore in the f attachment, they certainly don't advertise it, with the exception of M&W Custom Trombones. Conn seems to have solved the f attachment resistance problem by enlarging the bore, rather than tinkering with the valve and wrap. Of course, I expect some will disagree.

I remember a Bach 42B f attachment tuning slide rattling loosely in my 88H f attachment tuning slide years ago. Maybe that has changed.

greenbean · by **greenbean** » 2022-06-11 11:50 a.m.

That is how almost all F-attachments are made these days. The bore is slighter larger than the handslide bore.

drbucher · by **drbucher** » 2022-06-11 11:51 a.m.

Probably true. Hard to find advertising to confirm it.

whitbey · by **whitbey** » 2022-06-11 12:17 p.m.

[quote="greenbean"]That is how almost all F-attachments are made these days. The bore is slighter larger than the handslide bore.[/quote]

That always made sense to me. When the slide is extended the outer slide is the bore for much of the horn.

I made the 2nd valve tubing on my dependent bass much bigger. Works really well.

Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2022-06-11 12:28 p.m.

[quote="drbucher"]Probably true. Hard to find advertising to confirm it.[/quote]

Not a big deal to "advertise" - since larger F-attachment tubing is now pretty standard for most makers.

But you can always find that information in manufacturers' specifications. No big secret here.

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