Tenor leadpipe in a bass?

Amconk · by **Amconk** » 2020-05-18 11:15 p.m.

I’m bored. And when I’m bored, my brain starts doing funny things. If you have a bass trombone that takes screw in leadpipes, could you try .547 leadpipes in it? What would it hurt, other than fitting a tiny bit looser? Some heavy tuning slide grease would make up the difference in bore. Just an odd thought. Anyone ever try that?

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2020-05-18 11:18 p.m.

I'll just go ahead and say... no.

braymond21 · by **braymond21** » 2020-05-18 11:38 p.m.

You could do it, but it doesn't work very well. I tried it once for fun and it was a loose fit but technically, it played. Wasn't very easy to play especially in the low register.

Amconk · by **Amconk** » 2020-05-19 12:00 a.m.

Yeah. I pulled mine out and tried it. Felt weird. Horn didn’t want to speak well. But hey, you never know until you try!

bassbone721 · by **bassbone721** » 2020-05-19 12:16 a.m.

Just tried a Shires .547 1 and 3 leadpipe and they don't play like a bass pipe would in a bass, but they still function and all the ranges speak but its much tighter then what I'm used to. (I use a B3/ B3SS)

Matt_K · by **Matt_K** » 2020-05-19 2:02 p.m.

If you want a real trip, put a 508 or smaller pipe in a 562 slide!

dukesboneman · by **dukesboneman** » 2020-05-19 2:13 p.m.

Not a leadpipe , but years ago I put a Bach 7 with a Bass shank in my 72H - SCREAMER !! the upper range was sick and powerful

tbonesullivan · by **tbonesullivan** » 2020-05-19 3:02 p.m.

The whole idea of a leadpipe is a smooth transition from the mouthpiece bore to the main bore of the instrument, so one that is not properly sized will have a big "step" at the end. Not really sure there is any benefit. It won't make the horn play like a .547 bore horn.

Kdanielsen · by **Kdanielsen** » 2020-05-19 8:48 p.m.

I have always wondered if there are leadpipes made specifically for playing a large tenor with a 562 slide. I know people do it. Do they just use a bass leadpipe?

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2020-05-19 9:41 p.m.

[quote="Kdanielsen"]I have always wondered if there are leadpipes made specifically for playing a large tenor with a 562 slide. I know people do it. Do they just use a bass leadpipe?[/quote]

the Bach 50 leadpipe is not especially large or open (maybe like a Shires 1.5 ish, but obviously different), so the Bach horns using the LT50 slide just use that. Some of them have amazing high registers.

PhilE · by **PhilE** » 2020-05-20 12:23 a.m.

I put a Brasslab Hartz MV42 hvy wt leadpipe in my 50 slide and it worked fine.

Sounded and felt good.

I expanded the end so that it was a firm fit in slide tube.

It won't work very well if you don't do that.

Tbarh · by **Tbarh** » 2020-05-20 5:19 p.m.

The Kanstul /Hornguys GR2 and Herrick C pipes are tighter with a smaller venturi and would be Great if You want a more tenory sound out of a bass slide.. I tried a Remington pipe in a 562 slide. Did not work well but i suspect that is mainly because of the gap at the end of the leadpipe being bigger into the slide..

BurckhardtS · by **BurckhardtS** » 2020-05-20 5:47 p.m.

You ever tried putting a tuba mouthpiece in a trombone? That is a fun experiment.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-05-20 7:31 p.m.

[quote="BurckhardtS"]You ever tried putting a tuba mouthpiece in a trombone? That is a fun experiment.[/quote]

I did in an attempt to sound like a Cimbasso for a Verdi opera overture (Nabucco). My pitch above the bass staff was incredibly flat, but the sound was more tuba-like without actually playing a tuba.

whitbey · by **whitbey** » 2020-05-22 1:47 p.m.

I have done that. Years ago when I had fewer toys my tenor slide got hurt and I needed to use my bass slide on my 547. It worked ok. Better then not playing.

An oddity. My small bore has a valve on it that is the Edwards 547 size.

So I can put my 500/508 slide on my 547 horn and my 562 bass.

The bass is silly

The 500/508 slide on the 547 horn plays like (but better) then some of the German horns I have tried that are small bore with the big bell. I don't like it, but it works.

My guess is that things that are odd work.....almost.

LeoInFL · by **LeoInFL** » 2020-05-27 11:33 p.m.

I came across this video of Gerry Pagano discussing his Edwards 'small bass' in which he uses a 0.547" leadpipe in his single bore 0.562" slide. It seems to work for him just fine. He mentions it about 30sec into the video.

<YOUTUBE id="NPDPLgM9sYE">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDPLgM9sYE</YOUTUBE>

Gatt · by **Gatt** » 2020-05-28 12:18 a.m.

[quote="LeoInFL"]I came across this video of Gerry Pagano discussing his Edwards 'small bass' in which he uses a 0.547" leadpipe in his single bore 0.562" slide. It seems to work for him just fine. He mentions it about 30sec into the video.

<YOUTUBE id="NPDPLgM9sYE">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDPLgM9sYE</YOUTUBE>[/quote]

Hi.

I have a dual bore Edwards bass slide.

Will an Edwards .547" tenor leadpipe screw in?

Are the Edwards bass and tenor leadpipe threads the same?

Thanks,

Steve.

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