Looking for first horn
- AwesomeDad
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Hope this is in the right place, Looking for a good trombone for amateur playing. Doesn’t have to be top of the line but not wanting junk. I know there’s a lot of variables but I have a low brass background and I am familiar with a lot of brands but know nothing about trombones. Budget isn’t and issue but not looking to spend 3k if I can get a solid horn for 1k or less.
JJ
JJ
- Burgerbob
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What kind of playing? Of course, not much you can do with it publicly right now, but any plans?
- imsevimse
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If you want a cheap tenor I would recommend a Yamaha 354 or a Yamaha 356G. They can be found used. Both are high quality student horns that can be used professionally. It's a lot of trombone for the money. The 356G is a dual bore with f-attatchment. The 354 is a straight .500. You have a lot of older professional good horns to choose from before you hit 1k.
/Tom
/Tom
- walldaja
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[quote="imsevimse"]If you want a cheap tenor I would recommend a Yamaha 354 or a Yamaha 356G. They can be found used. Both are high quality student horns that can be used professionally. It's a lot of trombone for the money. The 356G is a dual bore with f-attatchment. The 354 is a straight .500. You have a lot of older professional good horns to choose from before you hit 1k.
/Tom[/quote]
I would second the Yamaha 354 or 356G. I would not call the Yamaha cheap, only inexpensive and readily available. Too often "cheap" denotes poorly made or of low quality. As Tom said, they are a "lot of trombone for the money".
You need to pay attention to the condition of the slide--how freely it moves.
Best wishes!
/Tom[/quote]
I would second the Yamaha 354 or 356G. I would not call the Yamaha cheap, only inexpensive and readily available. Too often "cheap" denotes poorly made or of low quality. As Tom said, they are a "lot of trombone for the money".
You need to pay attention to the condition of the slide--how freely it moves.
Best wishes!
- AwesomeDad
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[quote="Burgerbob"]What kind of playing? Of course, not much you can do with it publicly right now, but any plans?[/quote]
I have 6 kids and 5 play in band. 1 bassoon 1 flute 1 saxophone 1 trumpet and my 7yr old currently is enamored with her slide trumpet. I mainly play tuba and flugel to help them out...
JJ
I have 6 kids and 5 play in band. 1 bassoon 1 flute 1 saxophone 1 trumpet and my 7yr old currently is enamored with her slide trumpet. I mainly play tuba and flugel to help them out...
JJ
- Doug_Elliott
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If it's for you, you would enjoy the 356G the most.
If it's for a small child (now or later) you should add the Yamaha 350C to that list. It's a different sort of horn, smaller but still in Bb. It has an ascending valve to put it in C so you have a C in 1st position and B in 2nd, as you would with an F attachment, but it's a smaller and lighter horn.
If it's for a small child (now or later) you should add the Yamaha 350C to that list. It's a different sort of horn, smaller but still in Bb. It has an ascending valve to put it in C so you have a C in 1st position and B in 2nd, as you would with an F attachment, but it's a smaller and lighter horn.
- AwesomeDad
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[quote="Doug Elliott"]If it's for you, you would enjoy the 356G the most.
If it's for a small child (now or later) you should add the Yamaha 350C to that list. It's a different sort of horn, smaller but still in Bb. It has an ascending valve to put it in C so you have a C in 1st position and B in 2nd, as you would with an F attachment, but it's a smaller and lighter horn.[/quote]
It’s for me, I’ll look for the 356G
Jj
If it's for a small child (now or later) you should add the Yamaha 350C to that list. It's a different sort of horn, smaller but still in Bb. It has an ascending valve to put it in C so you have a C in 1st position and B in 2nd, as you would with an F attachment, but it's a smaller and lighter horn.[/quote]
It’s for me, I’ll look for the 356G
Jj
- Doug_Elliott
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I think I saw one yesterday in the classifieds here.
- Doug_Elliott
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See the PM from me
- AwesomeDad
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[quote="Doug Elliott"]See the PM from me[/quote]
I replied...
I replied...
- Posaunus
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The Yamaha 356R (F-attachment, dual-bore .500"/.525" and 8-inch bell), listed in the TromboneChat classifieds sounds like a good deal and a good match for your needs. No mouthpiece, but would be compatible with small-shank Yamaha 48 or Bach 6½AL - both readily available used at reasonable prices.
Good luck.
Good luck.
- AwesomeDad
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[quote="Posaunus"]The Yamaha 356R (F-attachment, dual-bore .500"/.525" and 8-inch bell), listed in the TromboneChat classifieds sounds like a good deal and a good match for your needs. No mouthpiece, but would be compatible with small-shank Yamaha 48 or Bach 6½AL - both readily available used at reasonable prices.
Good luck.[/quote]
Thank you, I don’t believe that one has an F attachment at least from the pictures.
Good luck.[/quote]
Thank you, I don’t believe that one has an F attachment at least from the pictures.
- Elow
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[quote="AwesomeDad"]<QUOTE author="Burgerbob" post_id="114265" time="1590428595" user_id="3131">
What kind of playing? Of course, not much you can do with it publicly right now, but any plans?[/quote]
I have 6 kids and 5 play in band. 1 bassoon 1 flute 1 saxophone 1 trumpet and my 7yr old currently is enamored with her slide trumpet. I mainly play tuba and flugel to help them out...
JJ
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You are, in fact, an awesome dad
What kind of playing? Of course, not much you can do with it publicly right now, but any plans?[/quote]
I have 6 kids and 5 play in band. 1 bassoon 1 flute 1 saxophone 1 trumpet and my 7yr old currently is enamored with her slide trumpet. I mainly play tuba and flugel to help them out...
JJ
</QUOTE>
You are, in fact, an awesome dad
- BGuttman
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356R has an F-attachment. 354 does not.
If an F-attachment is a requirement but you don't want to get involved in a big horn there are a lot of choices:
Bach 36B, TB-200B, Mercedes with F
Benge 175F
Conn 79H
There is a medium bore Getzen but I'm not sure of the model number
Holton TR-682
King 3B, 607, 608
Olds Ambassador with F, Recording with F
Reynolds Contempora
Selmer Bolero with F
Yamaha 646, 684, 640, 356, 446.
There are horns made in China and sold by John Packer (JP-Rath) and Wessex Tubas that will be better than junk (and actually quite good).
Not familiar enough with other brands to give favorable ratings.
If an F-attachment is not a requirement and you are near southern New Hampshire I have a closet full of old hons you can try out for free.
If an F-attachment is a requirement but you don't want to get involved in a big horn there are a lot of choices:
Bach 36B, TB-200B, Mercedes with F
Benge 175F
Conn 79H
There is a medium bore Getzen but I'm not sure of the model number
Holton TR-682
King 3B, 607, 608
Olds Ambassador with F, Recording with F
Reynolds Contempora
Selmer Bolero with F
Yamaha 646, 684, 640, 356, 446.
There are horns made in China and sold by John Packer (JP-Rath) and Wessex Tubas that will be better than junk (and actually quite good).
Not familiar enough with other brands to give favorable ratings.
If an F-attachment is not a requirement and you are near southern New Hampshire I have a closet full of old hons you can try out for free.
- Posaunus
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[quote="AwesomeDad"]<QUOTE author="Posaunus" post_id="114284" time="1590434687" user_id="158">
The Yamaha 356R (F-attachment, dual-bore .500"/.525" and 8-inch bell), listed in the TromboneChat classifieds sounds like a good deal and a good match for your needs.[/quote]
Thank you, I don’t believe that one has an F attachment at least from the pictures.
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Yes, there appears to be an F-attachment. You will find that useful. Definitely worth an inquiry.
See: http://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14928
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abxgq6wr2m12 ... Zahpa?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abxgq6wr2m12084/AABMVI4GhEwtdSfOLGW7Zahpa?dl=0</LINK_TEXT>
The Yamaha 356R (F-attachment, dual-bore .500"/.525" and 8-inch bell), listed in the TromboneChat classifieds sounds like a good deal and a good match for your needs.[/quote]
Thank you, I don’t believe that one has an F attachment at least from the pictures.
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Yes, there appears to be an F-attachment. You will find that useful. Definitely worth an inquiry.
See: http://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14928
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abxgq6wr2m12 ... Zahpa?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abxgq6wr2m12084/AABMVI4GhEwtdSfOLGW7Zahpa?dl=0</LINK_TEXT>
- AwesomeDad
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[quote="Posaunus"]<QUOTE author="AwesomeDad" post_id="114288" time="1590437045" user_id="5179">
Thank you, I don’t believe that one has an F attachment at least from the pictures.[/quote]
Yes, there appears to be an F-attachment. You will find that useful. Definitely worth an inquiry.
See: http://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14928
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abxgq6wr2m12 ... Zahpa?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abxgq6wr2m12084/AABMVI4GhEwtdSfOLGW7Zahpa?dl=0</LINK_TEXT>
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You are correct must have had a bad link on my phone already emailed..:
Thank you, I don’t believe that one has an F attachment at least from the pictures.[/quote]
Yes, there appears to be an F-attachment. You will find that useful. Definitely worth an inquiry.
See: http://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14928
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abxgq6wr2m12 ... Zahpa?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abxgq6wr2m12084/AABMVI4GhEwtdSfOLGW7Zahpa?dl=0</LINK_TEXT>
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You are correct must have had a bad link on my phone already emailed..:
- AwesomeDad
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[quote="Posaunus"]The Yamaha 356R (F-attachment, dual-bore .500"/.525" and 8-inch bell), listed in the TromboneChat classifieds sounds like a good deal and a good match for your needs. No mouthpiece, but would be compatible with small-shank Yamaha 48 or Bach 6½AL - both readily available used at reasonable prices.
Good luck.[/quote]
I know nothing about trombone mouthpieces, what would be the equivalent of a DW Sm4U in small shank? I have that in large shank for euphonium and like it a lot.
Good luck.[/quote]
I know nothing about trombone mouthpieces, what would be the equivalent of a DW Sm4U in small shank? I have that in large shank for euphonium and like it a lot.
- BGuttman
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[quote="AwesomeDad"]<QUOTE author="Posaunus" post_id="114284" time="1590434687" user_id="158">
The Yamaha 356R (F-attachment, dual-bore .500"/.525" and 8-inch bell), listed in the TromboneChat classifieds sounds like a good deal and a good match for your needs. No mouthpiece, but would be compatible with small-shank Yamaha 48 or Bach 6½AL - both readily available used at reasonable prices.
Good luck.[/quote]
I know nothing about trombone mouthpieces, what would be the equivalent of a DW Sm4U in small shank? I have that in large shank for euphonium and like it a lot.
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I'd start with a Wick 4BS. It will be a little shallower but the same rim.
The Yamaha 356R (F-attachment, dual-bore .500"/.525" and 8-inch bell), listed in the TromboneChat classifieds sounds like a good deal and a good match for your needs. No mouthpiece, but would be compatible with small-shank Yamaha 48 or Bach 6½AL - both readily available used at reasonable prices.
Good luck.[/quote]
I know nothing about trombone mouthpieces, what would be the equivalent of a DW Sm4U in small shank? I have that in large shank for euphonium and like it a lot.
</QUOTE>
I'd start with a Wick 4BS. It will be a little shallower but the same rim.
- Posaunus
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[quote="BGuttman"]<QUOTE author="AwesomeDad" post_id="114299" time="1590444465" user_id="5179">
I know nothing about trombone mouthpieces, what would be the equivalent of a DW Sm4U in small shank? I have that in large shank for euphonium and like it a lot.[/quote]
I'd start with a Wick 4BS. It will be a little shallower but the same rim.
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:good:
Or for a 0.500"/0.525" bore trombone (such as the Yamaha 356), you might prefer a slightly smaller mouthpiece, like a Denis Wick 5BS or 6BS. All in the (Wick) family, you know. Make sure you get small shank. Prices for new Wick mouthpieces are pretty reasonable.
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.deniswick.com/wp-content/up ... -Chart.pdf">https://www.deniswick.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Denis-Wick-Products-Mouthpiece-Mute-Comparison-Chart.pdf</LINK_TEXT>
I know nothing about trombone mouthpieces, what would be the equivalent of a DW Sm4U in small shank? I have that in large shank for euphonium and like it a lot.[/quote]
I'd start with a Wick 4BS. It will be a little shallower but the same rim.
</QUOTE>
:good:
Or for a 0.500"/0.525" bore trombone (such as the Yamaha 356), you might prefer a slightly smaller mouthpiece, like a Denis Wick 5BS or 6BS. All in the (Wick) family, you know. Make sure you get small shank. Prices for new Wick mouthpieces are pretty reasonable.
<LINK_TEXT text="https://www.deniswick.com/wp-content/up ... -Chart.pdf">https://www.deniswick.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Denis-Wick-Products-Mouthpiece-Mute-Comparison-Chart.pdf</LINK_TEXT>
- Doug_Elliott
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A 4BS is probably not a bad choice for that horn. The rim would be close but may not actually be the same as the SM4U.
- MagnumH
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I also have a Yamaha 446G for sale in the classifieds - decent condition but could use a trip to a tech. It’s an intermediate horn with a great sound, F attachment and .525” bore. Easy to play, and pretty versatile. Lmk if interested!
- AwesomeDad
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Ok the 356R sold I appreciate all the great feedback. I found a Yamaha 897Z for a good price probably more than I should spend but a lot less than new. I’ll keep looking.
JJ
JJ
- BGuttman
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You should look at Magnum's Yamaha 446. He's asking a very reasonable price for a very versatile horn.
- AwesomeDad
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I appreciate all the help and offers, stumbled across a great deal on a Yamaha 897Z (I know opposite end of the spectrum) but figured it’s plenty of horn for me...
JJ
JJ
- Posaunus
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[quote="AwesomeDad"]I appreciate all the help and offers, stumbled across a great deal on a Yamaha 897Z (I know opposite end of the spectrum) but figured it’s plenty of horn for me...
JJ[/quote]
:good: The Yamaha 897Z is a great small-bore tenor trombone. You will enjoy it, and it will last your lifetime!
JJ[/quote]
:good: The Yamaha 897Z is a great small-bore tenor trombone. You will enjoy it, and it will last your lifetime!
- AwesomeDad
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[quote="Posaunus"]<QUOTE author="AwesomeDad" post_id="114395" time="1590506845" user_id="5179">
I appreciate all the help and offers, stumbled across a great deal on a Yamaha 897Z (I know opposite end of the spectrum) but figured it’s plenty of horn for me...
JJ[/quote]
:good: The Yamaha 897Z is a great small-bore tenor trombone. You will enjoy it, and it will last your lifetime!
</QUOTE>
Thank you so much...
I appreciate all the help and offers, stumbled across a great deal on a Yamaha 897Z (I know opposite end of the spectrum) but figured it’s plenty of horn for me...
JJ[/quote]
:good: The Yamaha 897Z is a great small-bore tenor trombone. You will enjoy it, and it will last your lifetime!
</QUOTE>
Thank you so much...