Giardinelli Size Chart? Plus M vs. D underparts?

olivegreenink · by **olivegreenink** » 2020-08-16 8:51 a.m.

Is there a handy chart somewhere that my repeated Google searching is failing to uncover?

Also, specifically does anyone have a description and/or measurements of the differences between a 3M and 3D? I’m “assuming” M = Medium Cup and D = Deep Cup? But surely it’s not that easy?

Cheers and thanks

PhilTrombone · by **PhilTrombone** » 2020-08-16 11:22 a.m.

Hi..

Giardinelli 3M/D were my go-to mouthpieces for decades. Yes, M = Medium Cup; D= Deep.

I used the 3M for my Bach 36; 3D for my Conn 88H.

Can't get them any more. :weep:

I am not aware of any printed docs on the specs, sorry.

Redthunder · by **Redthunder** » 2020-08-16 11:28 a.m.

I have a 3M/D combo (one screw rim, two underparts).

The “M” underpart I have is very shallow compared to what I think most players consider “medium”, and the “D” underpart is a deep “V” shaped cup. I really like the D cup on both my 6H and my 36.

The rim I have is a lot narrower and flatter than I’ve seen on other 3D/3M pieces, and is about the size of a Doug Elliott 103 rim.

Gatt · by **Gatt** » 2020-08-16 1:39 p.m.

http://www.dwerden.com/Mouthpieces/trombone.cfm

pompatus · by **pompatus** » 2020-08-16 2:28 p.m.

Here’s a link showing rim and throat sizes:

~~[url]~~<LINK_TEXT text=" http://www.jazzer.de/forum/Giardinelli ... ombone.pdf"> http://www.jazzer.de/forum/Giardinelli_Specs_Trombone.pdf</LINK_TEXT>

olivegreenink · by **olivegreenink** » 2020-08-16 10:18 p.m.

Thank you :)

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-08-17 2:30 a.m.

No dimensions here, but still this might be interesting for you:

<LINK_TEXT text="http://james-r-new.com/affiliates/new-y ... brass.html">http://james-r-new.com/affiliates/new-york-classic-brass.html</LINK_TEXT>

James New who is producing these does really great work with his mouthpieces.

Basbasun · by **Basbasun** » 2020-08-17 11:27 a.m.

That is funny, I also have two Giardinelly 3D and 3M, not the same rim but two different mpc. Sometimes I am thinking of going back to them. I used them for small bore and medium bore horns. Really nice pieces. The M is good for me on smallbore horns.

dukesboneman · by **dukesboneman** » 2020-08-17 6:46 p.m.

I really like the 4D and 5D. The M cups are way too shallow and bright for me.

modelerdc · by **modelerdc** » 2020-08-17 10:32 p.m.

I used to play Giardinellies. The 3M is a 3 rim size but with a shallow cup, similar to Bach C cup, but as I recall larger throat. I could never get this one to work well for me, I felt my sound was hard and diffuse. The D cups were deeper, more like a Bach 4 (not 4G) or 5GS, and while this mouthpiece worked ok on small shank baritone horn, I felt is was too dark for small bore trombone. I had Schilke take my 3M and give it a cup like a 6 1/2 AL. I felt the cup matched a small bore better than the D cup and the cup depth was more in line with the 3 rim.

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2020-08-17 11:05 p.m.

To the OP: I have an old Giardinelli brochure somewhere - I'm pretty sure I can find it. I'll send you a scan of it when I find it.

Jim Scott

pompatus · by **pompatus** » 2020-08-17 11:15 p.m.

[quote="CalgaryTbone"]To the OP: I have an old Giardinelli brochure somewhere - I'm pretty sure I can find it. I'll send you a scan of it when I find it.

Jim Scott[/quote]

This could be a great resource to many, and especially those looking for the info in the future. Is it something you’d be willing to post here, publicly? Would there be a copyright issue in doing so?

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2020-08-19 12:09 p.m.

I doubt there's any legal issue - I need to find it. I'll try to get to that today, and I may need some help as to how to post it here. My computer skills are limited.

Jim Scott

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2020-08-20 3:58 p.m.

I found the Giardinelli catalog and scanned the trombone pages. Either someone can talk me through how to post a pdf attachment here, or I can easily send it to anyone that wants it.via email. There's no date on the catalog, but I'm guessing by the address of the shop, it's from the early 80's - still in NYC, but not at their last address there before moving upstate.

Jim Scott

CalgaryTbone · by **CalgaryTbone** » 2020-08-20 4:32 p.m.

I think this will work - here (hopefully) is a c.1980 Giardinelli catalog w/their trombone offerings:

PhilTrombone · by **PhilTrombone** » 2020-08-20 4:52 p.m.

I think this will work - here (hopefully) is a c.1980 Giardinelli catalog w/their trombone offerings:

Thanks. I miss that place! One of the few musician stores in NY where a brass player was treated right.

mschlee · by **mschlee** » 2023-09-26 6:31 a.m.

I cannot see the Giardinelli Catalog posted above. "You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post." Any idea what's going wrong ?

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2023-09-26 8:10 a.m.

[quote="mschlee"]I cannot see the Giardinelli Catalog posted above. "You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post." Any idea what's going wrong ?[/quote]

You need three approved posts to get full privileges.

Slidehamilton · by **Slidehamilton** » 2023-09-28 11:17 a.m.

Greg Black is making the Giardinelli copies. Looks like beautiful mouthpieces! Of course, he does great work. I am sure they are accurate.

Koz · by **Koz** » 2023-10-10 8:11 a.m.

Greg Black has the old Giardinelli spec sheets. As a matter of fact, he said he found the spec sheet of a mouthpiece that I had Giardinelli make for me back in the day. Greg does excellent work!

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