60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2020-09-17 1:13 p.m.

So i recently came into Conn 60H bassbone. It's the second non 70 series bass i will have ever owned. It's a fixer upper to be sure and will most likely be disassembled to be thorough in its resurrection.

A while back i bought a D valve from a old 62H. I'm thinking while I'm having the horn rebuilt why not add a valve and essentially make a 62H.

Thoughts? Opinions? Slander?

Thanks?

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-09-17 1:14 p.m.

Those are becoming exceedingly rare. I'd let it with one valve and give it a careful restoration.

Or maybe I'd sell it to myself :-)

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2020-09-17 1:19 p.m.

Yeah, I'd do it. A second valve, particularly from a 62h would be right at home on a 60h. (Putting it on as a dependent, right?) Improves the usability and value of the horn. We're a little over run with single valve basses in my opinion. I think it's a win all the way around. And then you can sell it to me for $500. That's a great idea! :D

tbonesullivan · by **tbonesullivan** » 2020-09-17 4:04 p.m.

Is that the tuning in slide version? If so, if you add a second valve, dependent only. Cut down that J-bend and there's no going back.

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2020-09-17 5:24 p.m.

[quote="tbonesullivan"]Is that the tuning in slide version? If so, if you add a second valve, dependent only. Cut down that J-bend and there's no going back.[/quote]

It would be dependent. It makes sense with the design and I'm not a fan of independent system horns.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-09-17 6:36 p.m.

I got a 60H earlier this year and though I have the Conn valve and tube to make it a double, it will remain a single. A single Conn 60H is a thing of deep joy. I have open wrapped the valve and have tube to put it in Eb, but I have a wonderful double, so I can indulge myself in having a single.

Chris

modelerdc · by **modelerdc** » 2020-09-18 8:47 p.m.

If it's your only bass, and you use it much, add the valve. If it's a second bass then how much do you use it and for what? It can be nice to have a single trigger horn for when you don't need the second valve.

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2020-09-18 9:57 p.m.

[quote="modelerdc"]If it's your only bass, and you use it much, add the valve. If it's a second bass then how much do you use it and for what? It can be nice to have a single trigger horn for when you don't need the second valve.[/quote]

I use a modified 71H for my primary. I got a 72H i need to fix up and was going to add a valve to that, But was talked into leaving that a single. I've never owned anything like a 60 series bassbone before. I'd like to had a back up dbl trigger horn. Since I'm having it rebuilt from the ground up i need to make a decision. Right now the rarity of 60Hs gives me pause in making this a dbl trigger.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-09-19 4:22 a.m.

Is it the one that quin recently listed ? If yes do what you want.....he wouldn't ship to the UK, otherwise I would have bought it for parts.Just use Conn parts...especially the valve....it does make a difference if you want it to sound and feel genuine.

Chris

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2020-09-19 5:44 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]Is it the one that quin recently listed ? If yes do what you want.....he wouldn't ship to the UK, otherwise I would have bought it for parts.Just use Conn parts...especially the valve....it does make a difference if you want it to sound and feel genuine.

Chris[/quote]

It is. And yes the valve is a Conn valve.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2020-09-19 6:13 p.m.

Okay, go for it. You will have rescued a goner whatever...good luck.

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2020-09-19 6:31 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]Okay, go for it. You will have rescued a goner whatever...good luck.[/quote]

Thanks! I'll be sure to send you pics when it's complete.

WGWTR180 · by **WGWTR180** » 2020-09-20 7:33 a.m.

I needs to find me a good Conn 60H or 62H. :)

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2020-09-20 2:57 p.m.

[quote="WGWTR180"]I needs to find me a good Conn 60H or 62H. :)[/quote]

Don't we all!

timbone · by **timbone** » 2021-02-20 3:26 a.m.

no. don’t mess with mother nature. Enjoy it for what it is.

Savio · by **Savio** » 2021-02-20 4:48 a.m.

But where to get that second valve?

Just got a new double trigger so I think I leave my 60h as it is. But In case of putting on a second valve, where to get it? I’m thinking of selling my 60h since I already have two 70h. But I have to do a chemical cleaning first.

Leif

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2021-02-21 12:49 p.m.

[quote="Savio"]But where to get that second valve?

Just got a new double trigger so I think I leave my 60h as it is. But In case of putting on a second valve, where to get it? I’m thinking of selling my 60h since I already have two 70h. But I have to do a chemical cleaning first.

Leif[/quote]

I had a CONN D valve from an Elkhart 62H i bought and was going to use, but i don't need it now since I'm in the middle of purchasing a Minick Elkhart 62H from a friend. So I've decided not to mess with changing the 60H and instead to try restoring it.

The 60Hs slide crook was destroyed so I'm toying with putting a MK Drawing crook on it and pulling the leadpipe since I'll have the 62H slide to work with. If i can't find a valve cap (since it didn't come with one) i might put an Olsen valve on.

Lots of ideas but little money.

I also have a 72H bell i need to add a valve or 2 to.

After these projects I'll be pretty much set, aside from needing an altobone and a bass trumpet.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2021-02-21 1:13 p.m.

I'd say no to the Olsen valve and the MK crook....it's not that they are bad products but will change the horn. Stick with Conn stuff.

Chris

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2021-02-21 4:31 p.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]I'd say no to the Olsen valve and the MK crook....it's not that they are bad products but will change the horn. Stick with Conn stuff.

Chris[/quote]

I feel you. I want to keep it as original as i can. Curiosity is causing me to look at other possibilities.

FOSSIL · by **FOSSIL** » 2021-02-21 5:48 p.m.

I've put Holton , Bach and Shires rotors on old Conns...none of them worked well with the basic instrument. Conn valves and tube...job done. They are fussy about slide crooks too.

Chris

PhilTrombone · by **PhilTrombone** » 2021-02-22 9:22 a.m.

Since you have the matching equipment on hand already, definitely go for it.

Have someone good do the work!

Agreed on making it a dependent horn (I play a 70's 62H).

Think about how you want the second trigger to be designed. I had mine reworked years ago. The old factory original triggers (side-by-side paddles) reduced the ease of operating the valves.

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2021-02-22 10:39 a.m.

[quote="FOSSIL"]I've put Holton , Bach and Shires rotors on old Conns...none of them worked well with the basic instrument. Conn valves and tube...job done. They are fussy about slide crooks too.

Chris[/quote]

Having never owned a 60 series horn i would have to heed your advice. I have modified, or gotten already modified, my share of 71/72s. The modifications done, i felt, actually improved those horns in my opinion. With the 60H tis slide, and it's J bend, any modifications would be drastic.

So i guess I'll have to fight the urge to chop the horn up.

Unless it's a pos. If it's a pos I'm modding the piss outta tvat horn. :P

sf105 · by **sf105** » 2021-02-22 1:31 p.m.

If you really want a second valve, make it a plug-in. I did that on one I had years ago and it was so nice not to have the second valve in for the majority of situations where I didn't need it. It's probably not going to be much more convoluted than building it in. It's probably just illusion, but to me a good 60H is a better horn than a 62H.

Thrawn22 · by **Thrawn22** » 2021-02-22 1:50 p.m.

[quote="sf105"]If you really want a second valve, make it a plug-in. I did that on one I had years ago and it was so nice not to have the second valve in for the majority of situations where I didn't need it. It's probably not going to be much more convoluted than building it in. It's probably just illusion, but to me a good 60H is a better horn than a 62H.[/quote]

John Sandhagen at the Boneyard has suggested that on occasion since he has a couple of Kanstul plug in valves. But as stated in a couple of posts ago adding a second valve now is moot since I'm getting a 62H. And i think the purists out there would be happier if i kept the 60H as stock as possible. Frankly so would i.

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