Trombone Chat Brass Choir Christmas Video

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-10-28 10:58 a.m.

Ladies, gents, and bass trombone players,

As most of us have nowhere to play these days, I would like to propose that we do a collaborative video with members of this forum. I was thinking of some sort of Christmas bone choir tune. I have actually gotten pretty good at audio and video editing during this time and I am willing to put it all together. What we need is a nice trombone choir arrangement of some sort of Christmas tune and any number of players who want to be part of the project. I would need to cap it at about 20-30 as my computer really starts slowing down when I get more tracks than that.

So, does anyone have suggestions for some music? Something with 8-12 parts would be nice. And I would need either a midi backing track or a recording of a previous performance for people to listen to while doing their video.

So if you are interested in participating, post up and let's get something going.

[Edit from BGuttman]

Upload your finished videos here:

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BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-10-28 11:15 a.m.

See if you can find the Jingle Bones books. Sorta like Tuba Christmas but for trombones. One of our old Forum members used to run the one in Indiana.

I tend to like 4 part books (a la Tuba Christmas). I had something by Kjos called "Christmas Time". 3 of the 4 parts are available in bass clef. The 2nd part is only available in treble clef Bb or Eb (and C). I used to have an 8 part choir playing these in the lobby of my orchestra's Christmas concert.

Bonearzt · by **Bonearzt** » 2020-10-28 11:35 a.m.

I'll give it a shot!

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-10-28 11:38 a.m.

Bruce,

I guess it depends on how many people want to play. If we have a bunch, I would rather have something with 8 parts or more.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-10-28 11:42 a.m.

Here is some 8 part stuff. Has anyone played any of these?

<LINK_TEXT text="https://mcgintymusic.com/product-catego ... mas-music/">https://mcgintymusic.com/product-category/brass/trombone/trombone-choir-in-christmas-music/</LINK_TEXT>

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-10-28 12:03 p.m.

I have some stuff I could share. But nothing for 8 bass trombones. 8 trombones, yes.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-10-28 12:12 p.m.

8 bass bones would be a mess. 6 tenor and 2 bass is a nice mix.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-10-28 12:16 p.m.

[quote="SwissTbone"]I have some stuff I could share. But nothing for 8 bass trombones. 8 trombones, yes.[/quote]

With a choir of just bass trombones we could look at the Tuba Christmas stuff. Still 4 part, though.

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2020-10-28 1:19 p.m.

Sounds like fun!

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-10-28 1:27 p.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]8 bass bones would be a mess. 6 tenor and 2 bass is a nice mix.[/quote]

How about alto doubling the top lines?

I'd be interested, though I haven't done this before. Willing to play the parts that nobody wants (generally 3rd in a 4 part, or 5th and 6th in an 8 part).

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-10-28 7:24 p.m.

I have become a bit of a guru on split screen music videos lately. I have done 4 for my community band and am working on several more. Once you get the process figured out, it's not that hard. The hardest part is picking the music and getting people to make their videos.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-10-28 7:41 p.m.

I'll play alto if there's an alto part! But I can play whatever part is leftover too. There are many amazing players who could do a better job here on the forum.

LeTromboniste · by **LeTromboniste** » 2020-10-28 8:06 p.m.

I'd be happy to to play as well unless there's too many of us. Always happy for opportunities to take my modern trombone out of its case!

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-10-28 8:25 p.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]...There are many amazing players who could do a better job here on the forum.[/quote]
Too bad I'm not one of them :frown: 😉

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-10-28 9:57 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="128950" time="1603928496" user_id="3642">
...There are many amazing players who could do a better job here on the forum.[/quote]
Too bad I'm not one of them :frown: 😉
</QUOTE>

Don't beat yourself up, Bruce. I'm sure almost anyone here has better swing chops than I do. And legit chops. And you name it...

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-10-29 12:08 a.m.

https://musescore.com/user/12682446/scores/6178785

Here's a quartet arrangement of White Christmas that I did. I could probably expand it to 8 parts (Working on a 12-part arrangement of a video game theme, in fact). Short and not too difficult.

vetsurginc · by **vetsurginc** » 2020-10-29 10:19 a.m.

:good:

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-10-29 10:36 a.m.

Would also love to take part!

Any part would be great.

Thanks for your initiative!

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-10-30 11:41 a.m.

Looks like we have plenty of interest. So now it is just a matter of finding the right music. My ideal tune would be something with at least 8 parts, preferably in a jazzy style and even with a rhythm section. I have a piano and drummer that I can probably get to help. So post up your suggestions for music.

sungfw · by **sungfw** » 2020-10-30 8:18 p.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]https://musescore.com/user/12682446/scores/6178785

Here's a quartet arrangement of White Christmas that I did. I could probably expand it to 8 parts (Working on a 12-part arrangement of a video game theme, in fact). Short and not too difficult.[/quote]

Just a note that the copyright for White Christmas is still in force,* so performance and mechanical royalties (not to mention permission to arrange) are in play with that song.

* US copyright law fixes the copyright term for works created by an individual at the life of the composer plus 70 years post-obit. Irving Berlin, the composer of White Christmas, died in 1989, so the song remains under copyright until 2059.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-10-30 8:28 p.m.

It has been my experience that you can post copyrighted stuff on FB and YouTube all day long as long as you don't try to monetize it.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-10-31 3:02 a.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]It has been my experience that you can post copyrighted stuff on FB and YouTube all day long as long as you don't try to monetize it.[/quote]

As long as the original (and you arrange it yourself) or an official arrangement is on the YouTube list, you can pretty much do whatever you want with it on that platform. Pretty sure White Christmas would be on that list.

Posting your arrangement for others to print as above, or showing it legibly in the video is illegal, however.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-10-31 3:29 p.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]<QUOTE author="Mikebmiller" post_id="129165" time="1604104126" user_id="213">
It has been my experience that you can post copyrighted stuff on FB and YouTube all day long as long as you don't try to monetize it.[/quote]

As long as the original (and you arrange it yourself) or an official arrangement is on the YouTube list, you can pretty much do whatever you want with it on that platform. Pretty sure White Christmas would be on that list.

Posting your arrangement for others to print as above, or showing it legibly in the video is illegal, however.
</QUOTE>

Harrison, I know you're in the military, but would you mind not turning me in?

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2020-10-31 5:50 p.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]The hardest part is [...] getting people to make their videos.[/quote]

Yuppppppppp. This 100%. I'd pick a reasonably-sized piece and invite everyone in the world to sign up. The way these things usually go, if 80 people say they're in, you'll be lucky to get 8 submissions by the end of 2020. But maybe TromboneChat will be better than the average Internet collab recording project...only one way to find out!

And I'm down to play as well, on whatever brass instruments you like. I'd be happy to arrange one of my old Christmas multitracks (or the 2020 one that I haven't recorded yet) for a bunch of trombones if anyone's interested.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-10-31 7:15 p.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="129192" time="1604127722" user_id="3642">

As long as the original (and you arrange it yourself) or an official arrangement is on the YouTube list, you can pretty much do whatever you want with it on that platform. Pretty sure White Christmas would be on that list.

Posting your arrangement for others to print as above, or showing it legibly in the video is illegal, however.[/quote]

Harrison, I know you're in the military, but would you mind not turning me in?
</QUOTE>

I wrote that just trying to look out for everyone here. I'm not going to "turn anyone in", lol. I don't care, I would never do that, especially for something that is so innocently motivated, and I'm not a lawyer or law enforcement professional. I'm just very interested in how copyrights and licensing works, because it's actually not hard to do things the right way, but also because the law contradicts itself in our favor. For example:

1. Arranging a piece that is under copyright onto printed or digital sheet music is illegal. You need permission from the copyright holder. No one can get in trouble for this unless they make the arrangements available.

2. You can record any piece of music as an audio recording in the US as long as it has already been released and you pay the obligatory mechanical license fee which is like $.095 per recording (ie CD or download) you make/sell, and you don't even have to ask permission. You are even allowed to arrange the song to fit the instrumentation and setting and your goal as an artist as long as you don't change the lyrics or make major changes to the structure of the piece. That's crazy, because technically your arrangement is illegal when you print it out, but becomes legal(ish) after you record your tune and pay the mechanical fee. You definitely still can't make this arrangement available or sell it or claim any rights over that version as printed music, and your CD must credit the original copyright holder and use the actual song information.

3. Putting anything in number 2 above to a video and making it available or using the original piece from any legal CD or recorded version in a video is also illegal, unless you pay the sync license. There is no obligatory fee, and you can't get the license without asking. The copyright holder can say no.

4. Youtube is the solution - if the song is on their list, you can pretty much do anything in #2 and #3 and they have deals to take care of the licensing. You can arrange a piece (but not make that arrangement "available"), you can record it, you can put it synced with a video, you can even just rip the original piece off the CD and put it in your video. The copyright holders don't care, because YouTube will monetize the video and put ads on it. Then they pay the copyright holders, and if the video is popular enough they pay you too if you're monetized. This is how Chris Bill records all of the arrangements he does.

So, for this project, you're 100% good as long as the parts aren't publicly made available or sold, and we complete the project.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-10-31 9:48 p.m.

[quote="Finetales"]<QUOTE author="Mikebmiller" post_id="128947" time="1603927496" user_id="213">The hardest part is [...] getting people to make their videos.[/quote]

Yuppppppppp. This 100%. I'd pick a reasonably-sized piece and invite everyone in the world to sign up. The way these things usually go, if 80 people say they're in, you'll be lucky to get 8 submissions by the end of 2020. But maybe TromboneChat will be better than the average Internet collab recording project...only one way to find out!

And I'm down to play as well, on whatever brass instruments you like. I'd be happy to arrange one of my old Christmas multitracks (or the 2020 one that I haven't recorded yet) for a bunch of trombones if anyone's interested.
</QUOTE>

If you are willing to do an arrangement that would be excellent! If it is something that has not been played a zillion times, that would be excellenter. Something in the 3-5 minute range with 8 or more parts would be perfect.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-10-31 11:34 p.m.

Working on a Carol of the Bells arrangement now, if that's not too overplayed.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-10-31 11:34 p.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]Working on a Carol of the Bells arrangement now, if that's not too overplayed.[/quote]

:good:

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-01 12:13 a.m.

Love Carol of the Bells. Works nice as a round.

Every Christmas Carol is probably overplayed. Generally by Christmas Day I'm tired of all of them. But there are many who love them no matter how much they are played.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-01 12:25 a.m.

I'm working in the themes from We Three Kings and Greensleeves to keep things interesting.

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2020-11-01 2:05 a.m.

There are plenty of lovely Christmas carols that you never, or almost never, hear. "Bring a Torch, Jeannette, Isabella" is one of my favorites. "I Saw Three Ships", "Lo How a Rose E'er Blooming", "Masters in This Hall", and "The Holly and the Ivy" are woefully underplayed, and I would argue that "In the Bleak Midwinter" is far from overplayed as well.

I love Christmas and Christmas music so I never get tired of any of it, but there are some real gems that usually get overlooked.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-01 3:58 p.m.

https://musescore.com/user/12682446/scores/6425950

First draft of Carol of the Bells.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-01 7:58 p.m.

Whoa - I like that. Sounds like a Bach organ fugue. I might suggest that we take the tempo a bit slower than what you have in the MIDI. That would take some serious gymnastics for the basses.

So when you have that finished, upload a midi file with the tune and a click track. I can prepare a backup track with a count off to a group clap that precedes the MIDI and lets me synch up all the videos. We need to have people post up here as to what part they want to play. It's fine to have more than one on a part, but since there are 12 parts, let's cap it at 24 people total. That's about the max my video software can handle before choking to death.

I will post a link to a google drive folder where everyone can upload their videos.

A few tips for making a nice looking video that I have learned from doing a few of these:

- Find a spot to record without a lot of junk in the background

- Try to keep your music stand out of the shot. We want to see your face and your horn, not your stand.

- Use a tripod or get someone else to hold the camera/phone rather than just putting it on your stand.

- If you have something with a better mic than your phone, use that. Smart phone audio is acceptable, but not great.

- Wear something festive.

This will be a fun little project and I look forward to seeing what some of you guys look like.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-01 10:55 p.m.

Second draft is up at the same link.

Also, made a sign-up sheet:

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hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2020-11-01 11:28 p.m.

Could you please make music available through some neutral format outside of musescore? Musescore is great for active arrangers, but not so much for casual or less often users. Pdf and mp3?

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-01 11:33 p.m.

I'm still tweaking it (although the parts are changing very little). Once I'm satisfied, I'll put up the pdf and wav files.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-02 12:22 a.m.

I just signed up. Let us know when the parts are good

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-02 4:08 a.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]I just signed up. Let us know when the parts are good[/quote]

Same for me!

Signed up for the second alto - if someone else is really keen on that one, I am also happy to play tenor or bass.

Will need to figure out on how to record (and sync?) both audio (via an audio interface) and video (via mobile).

As I have never done that, any advice?

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-02 4:19 a.m.

[quote="MStarke"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="129421" time="1604294527" user_id="3642">
I just signed up. Let us know when the parts are good[/quote]

Same for me!

Signed up for the second alto - if someone else is really keen on that one, I am also happy to play tenor or bass.

Will need to figure out on how to record (and sync?) both audio (via an audio interface) and video (via mobile).

As I have never done that, any advice?
</QUOTE>

You clap your hands when the backing track tells you to :biggrin:

That's what the clapper board you see in "making of" movies is for.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-02 4:52 a.m.

Is it possible to either give out both a click and non-click backing track (so I can use my own click/hiss sound and open back cans), or a midi version with the tempo data you're using?

I'm used to using a hiss instead of a click in my DAW and "detect tempo" or midi

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-02 6:47 a.m.

I'd love to try and take part, but I'm a bit novicey.

You can keep the volume of my contribution down low so I don't spoil the sound. I've been trying to record myself, but finding it a challenge to keep in time to a click track. So I might not suceed also.

I understand if you're going for a more pro sound and being more selective, but I like the challenge of trying to do this.

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-02 6:57 a.m.

Due to risk of people (ie probably me) not returning videos in time, can I sign up for a part that someone else is already doing?

I would really like to give this a go to push myself, but worried that I won't be able to do it to a good enough standard and/or in time.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-02 7:33 a.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]Is it possible to either give out both a click and non-click backing track (so I can use my own click/hiss sound and open back cans), or a midi version with the tempo data you're using?

I'm used to using a hiss instead of a click in my DAW and "detect tempo" or midi[/quote]

I know nothing about how MIDI actually works. Not an audio person, purely a composer/arranger. Which is kinda funny, because I'm a computer engineering student, so I should know how it works, buuuuut... If I post the MIDI file with everything else, will that work for you?

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-02 7:47 a.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="129432" time="1604310763" user_id="3642">
Is it possible to either give out both a click and non-click backing track (so I can use my own click/hiss sound and open back cans), or a midi version with the tempo data you're using?

I'm used to using a hiss instead of a click in my DAW and "detect tempo" or midi[/quote]

I know nothing about how MIDI actually works. Not an audio person, purely a composer/arranger. Which is kinda funny, because I'm a computer engineering student, so I should know how it works, buuuuut... If I post the MIDI file with everything else, will that work for you?
</QUOTE>

That would, as long as it is the same tempo as the other backing track(s). Thanks!!

Oh, is this project A=440?

I'm excited!

glenp · by **glenp** » 2020-11-02 8:58 a.m.

I’d like to participate. I’m new to the forum, so my post might not show up for a few days.

I’m thinking 3rd, 4th, or 5th parts but am willing to play any tenor part. I’ll hold off on putting my name in the sheet until my post is visible.

Also, what tempo are we thinking? The current tempo is pretty fast for some of those triplets.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-02 9:38 a.m.

Mahler dude -

Thanks for doing this. I think it will be great.

It looks like the whole tune is in a straight tempo with no changes or ritards. That makes recording easy. When you have the final draft, send me an mp3 of the midi file. I can create a backup track with and/or without a click using Cakewalk. I will add a clap to the beginning of the track so that I can see the spike on the wav form to line up the video.

Depending on how much interest we get, we can have up to 2 players per part. If we don't get 24 people, some people can play more than one part.

For those of you who have not done this sort of thing before, here is the process:

I will post the backup track. Download it to your phone or other device. Then with another camera or phone, make a video of yourself playing whatever part you want while listening to the backup track. Label the file with your name (your actual name) and the part you are playing and upload it to here:

~~[url]~~<LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lKSweoDhnq2xQZpm9x6axIH9l6VohePw?usp=sharing</LINK_TEXT>

It has been my experience that Apple/Iphone people can't ever seem to figure out how to upload their files to Google Drive. If that is the case, you can put your video on Icloud and share it using a link.

I need a week or 2 to do all the editing, so if we could get the vides in by the end of the month, I can have it done well before Christmas.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-02 2:40 p.m.

So do I need to include a click track, or can you make that with the MIDI?

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-02 7:52 p.m.

I can do it. Some people like a click and some don't, so I can do 2 versions.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-03 12:26 a.m.

Parts, score, .wav and MIDI are available:

<LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DEmWRFKtIgSvW1acE21PG-Qrmu-rf9O2?usp=sharing</LINK_TEXT>

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-03 4:31 a.m.

Thank you. I'll start working on this immediately. A=440 right?

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-03 5:49 a.m.

I was going to sign up for part 5, but there are two bars 117 and 118 that have a very high B flat in them. I don't think I can get higher than a high F. I'll have a go and see if I can push my range.

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-03 8:19 a.m.

Thanks a lot for preparing everything!

I have seen that quite a few parts are not covered yet. If needed, I could try to record more than one.

Until when do you want to have the recordings?

And again, as I am not sure how to exactly do this and until now only did audio recording: Is it okay to provide separate files for video and audio so that you would then put them together? Or should I somehow merge the files myself? Sorry if this has been answered before.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-03 8:47 a.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]Thank you. I'll start working on this immediately. A=440 right?[/quote]

Yep, A440.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-03 8:55 a.m.

Hey guys (and ladies).

Before you get too excited and start making videos, give me a day or 2 to create a backup track. Having everyone clap together at a point sometime before the music starts is an important part of getting all the videos lined up.

And if you want to do your video an audio separately, that's fine. I can combine them. In fact, if you have a good microphone or Zoom or some other type of recording device, that will sound a lot better than a smart phone mic. What I do is record to my computer using an AT 2020 USB mic. I can stop and start as needed if I make a mistake. Then I do a video of myself playing along to the recording. That takes the pressure off of having to do a perfect video.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-03 9:22 a.m.

[quote="MStarke"]Thanks a lot for preparing everything!

I have seen that quite a few parts are not covered yet. If needed, I could try to record more than one.

Let's wait and see on that. I suspect that all the parts will be covered soon enough.

Until when do you want to have the recordings?

No rush. Let's shoot for by Thanksgiving.

And again, as I am not sure how to exactly do this and until now only did audio recording: Is it okay to provide separate files for video and audio so that you would then put them together? Or should I somehow merge the files myself? Sorry if this has been answered before.[/quote]

MagnumH · by **MagnumH** » 2020-11-03 9:52 a.m.

Looks like a blast - I'll jump in!

bassbone721 · by **bassbone721** » 2020-11-03 2:20 p.m.

^ I'll also hop in.

I probably won't have time to record in the next few weeks as we're wrapping up our semester and there are about a million things to practice and record.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-03 2:59 p.m.

Having trouble downloading my part. I get Server Errors.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-03 3:05 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]Having trouble downloading my part. I get Server Errors.[/quote]

Just emailed it to you.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-03 3:19 p.m.

[quote="nogginbone"]I was going to sign up for part 5, but there are two bars 117 and 118 that have a very high B flat in them. I don't think I can get higher than a high F. I'll have a go and see if I can push my range.[/quote]

Not in Tenor 5 (I just downloaded it). Which part do you have? I'll swap with you.

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-03 3:38 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]Not in Tenor 5 (I just downloaded it). Which part do you have? I'll swap with you.[/quote]

In the tenor 5 that I downloaded from here:

<LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Qrmu-rf9O2">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DEmWRFKtIgSvW1acE21PG-Qrmu-rf9O2</LINK_TEXT>

there are two very high B flats 4 lines above the stave. I can just about reach them.

Is this the right folder to download from?

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-03 3:51 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]<QUOTE author="nogginbone" post_id="129567" time="1604400592" user_id="10374">
I was going to sign up for part 5, but there are two bars 117 and 118 that have a very high B flat in them. I don't think I can get higher than a high F. I'll have a go and see if I can push my range.[/quote]

Not in Tenor 5 (I just downloaded it). Which part do you have? I'll swap with you.
</QUOTE>

There are two in tenor five. I just checked the PDF I sent you, it's right.

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2020-11-03 3:54 p.m.

[quote="nogginbone"]<QUOTE author="BGuttman" post_id="129616" time="1604434754" user_id="53">
Not in Tenor 5 (I just downloaded it). Which part do you have? I'll swap with you.[/quote]

In the tenor 5 that I downloaded from here:

<LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Qrmu-rf9O2">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DEmWRFKtIgSvW1acE21PG-Qrmu-rf9O2</LINK_TEXT>

there are two very high B flats 4 lines above the stave. I can just about reach them.
</QUOTE>

Yeah, I'd take that down an octave. Especially at this speed, that's on the edge of playability in a 5th part. Plus, it's covered in other parts as well.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-03 4:00 p.m.

If you can play it as written, please do, but it's fine to take it down an octave if not. Just be sure to take the whole triplet down the octave if you do.

vetsurginc · by **vetsurginc** » 2020-11-03 4:03 p.m.

Signed on for bass 2.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-03 4:43 p.m.

Okay, if you're planning on playing a part, please put yourself on the sign-up sheet for that part.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-03 8:59 p.m.

Ok dudes and dudettes, here are your backup tracks. One with a click and one without. Take your pick and have at it.

~~[url]~~<LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lKSweoDhnq2xQZpm9x6axIH9l6VohePw?usp=sharing</LINK_TEXT>

Remember to wear something festive for your video. An ugly Christmas sweater is the perfect festive attire. Our jazz band has worn those for our last 2 Christmas concerts. And a nice set of antlers always completes the picture.

Elow · by **Elow** » 2020-11-03 10:55 p.m.

Anyone taking tenor 3? Id love to attempt, i would try bass but the only one available is bass 4 and i dont have those chops.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-03 11:03 p.m.

I was planning to do Tenor 3 since Nogginbone wanted to do Tenor 5. Pick whichever you want. Since all parts are covered (except Bass 4) you can double up with any of us.

nogginbone · 2020-11-04 2:46 a.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]If you can play it as written, please do, but it's fine to take it down an octave if not. Just be sure to take the whole triplet down the octave if you do.[/quote]

Thanks. I'll do both and see how I get on.

nogginbone · 2020-11-04 2:55 a.m.

Thought I'd repost the links to files as they're getting hard to find:

<TABLE>~~[table]~~<TR>~~[tr]~~<TD>~~[td]~~

Music PDFs: <LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Qrmu-rf9O2">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DEmWRFKtIgSvW1acE21PG-Qrmu-rf9O2</LINK_TEXT>

Background tracks: <LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... H9l6VohePw">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lKSweoDhnq2xQZpm9x6axIH9l6VohePw</LINK_TEXT>

Signup sheet: <GOOGLESHEETS id="1G4NhQz6OOfNFpBSmBf9SGN923O3J57EXOFXBp4g1dAM"><LINK_TEXT text="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... g1dAM/edit">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G4NhQz6OOfNFpBSmBf9SGN923O3J57EXOFXBp4g1dAM/edit</LINK_TEXT></GOOGLESHEETS>

Musescore version: https://musescore.com/user/12682446/scores/6425950

Upload: <LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... H9l6VohePw">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lKSweoDhnq2xQZpm9x6axIH9l6VohePw</LINK_TEXT> (Same as background tracks)

</TD></TR></TABLE>

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-04 3:01 a.m.

I don't want to promise as I am not sure if I will find the time. But if I do, I will also record bass trombone 4.

bwanamfupi · by **bwanamfupi** » 2020-11-04 10:37 a.m.

I've signed up to double the tenor 5 part (also an octave down when it goes high). If it's okay to have more than one person on a part, I will play. No problem if not.

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-04 10:59 a.m.

[quote="bwanamfupi"]I've signed up to double the tenor 5 part (also an octave down when it goes high). If it's okay to have more than one person on a part, I will play. No problem if not.[/quote]

I am very happy to have someone seconding me on part 5.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-04 3:10 p.m.

Wow. Bass 4 is LOW! I would need my tuba for that one. Meanwhile, I'll keep working on Tenor 3. Nice part. Sorta fits in between everybody else.

Btw, not being Christian I don't have any gaudy Christmas stuff -- and my funny hat got ruined in one of my recent car crashes. I may pull out my plastic trombone for color.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-04 3:27 p.m.

[quote="MStarke"]I don't want to promise as I am not sure if I will find the time. But if I do, I will also record bass trombone 4.[/quote]

Not to worry, our own Neo Bri will be recording bass 4. You can still record it if you want, but don't feel obligated.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-04 9:21 p.m.

I sat down to do my first draft recording tonight. A few observations -

That thing is really fast. And I am playing a tenor part. The bass players trying to manage those 8th notes down in the trigger range are going to have their hands full.

The solo triplets on beat 3 are hard to hit in tempo at that speed.

My suggestion would be to back the tempo off to about 170 or so. It would be much more manageable. That tune is not traditionally played at 192. I will be interested to hear what others think.

Elow · by **Elow** » 2020-11-04 9:23 p.m.

Yeah, very fast. Not only is the counting hard. The triplets for 3rd tenor is Bb Db and F. I guess i could play Bb trigger 3 and F in 6th, but ew. I think knocking tempo down a couple clicks would be great.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-04 11:37 p.m.

I can back it off a bit more. I'll upload a new midi tomorrow.

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-05 2:29 a.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]<QUOTE author="MStarke" post_id="129666" time="1604476863" user_id="4208">
I don't want to promise as I am not sure if I will find the time. But if I do, I will also record bass trombone 4.[/quote]

Not to worry, our own Neo Bri will be recording bass 4. You can still record it if you want, but don't feel obligated.
</QUOTE>

Perfect!

hyperbolica · 2020-11-05 11:00 a.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]I sat down to do my first draft recording tonight. A few observations -

That thing is really fast. And I am playing a tenor part. The bass players trying to manage those 8th notes down in the trigger range are going to have their hands full.

The solo triplets on beat 3 are hard to hit in tempo at that speed.

My suggestion would be to back the tempo off to about 170 or so. It would be much more manageable. That tune is not traditionally played at 192. I will be interested to hear what others think.[/quote]

I was kind of waiting for someone to break the ice with a little realism. This was clearly written on a computer for a computer. In the 2nd tenor part, the triplets are challenging enough, but the unison 1/16 notes (and the off-beats) in measure 50 may be a little over the top at this speed. The duple/triple figures from 117-120 are going to be really tough to hit in time at speed, and the whole passage with the duple offbeats is going to sound like a train wreck. Even on the WAV, it's messy. Measures 128-132 look nice on the score, but I don't think they are very realistic. And even on the click track, the clicks sound late because of the bloom of the midi, length of the click and the speed of the piece. Add basses down to pedal F at this speed, and it's really a no-go, Neo-Bri or not. This could never be performed live at this speed. Recording it individually, and probably in small parts spliced together into a single take with no errors is really the only way to do it. That or record it at a playable speed, and then speed it up in software. This project is becoming more about technology than having fun playing.

Getting real participation (actual usable tracks submitted) has to be at least partially connected to having accessible music to play. I'm not as interested in the editing side of things as I am with playing, so I think I'm going to drop off the list.

I would suggest a bit of an edit from someone who has done more real-world writing. Not to be rude, but this should be something fun, not a splicing/editing exercise. This is a song with words, maybe it should reflect that? Have you ever been to a trombone or tuba Christmas event? The music is challenging but fun. Not improbable.

Examples of successful trombone ensemble writing for pros:

<YOUTUBE id="o6TY6S8Kd5Q">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6TY6S8Kd5Q</YOUTUBE>

<YOUTUBE id="J6VASv2ZaGU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6VASv2ZaGU</YOUTUBE>

<YOUTUBE id="sTmCqRux6i8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTmCqRux6i8</YOUTUBE>

<YOUTUBE id="xGkOZ3w_C4I">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGkOZ3w_C4I</YOUTUBE>

<YOUTUBE id="-0SzYLGwl0s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0SzYLGwl0s</YOUTUBE>

<YOUTUBE id="FCBS4A9rS-M">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCBS4A9rS-M</YOUTUBE>

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-05 11:28 a.m.

AmI missing something or is Alto 1 the same as Tenor 1 and Alto 2 the same as Tenor 2?

I agree that the triplet handoff is going to be tough to get smooth at this tempo. And I keep getting tripped up going from the off-beat 8ths to the on-beat 8ths.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 12:48 p.m.

Okay, so a few things-

First of all, easiest to answer, Alto 1 and 2 are not the same as Tenor 1 and 2.

Second of all, there were a few things I had in my mind when I was writing this. I evidently planned for too high a skill level. That's completely my fault, and I apologize for that. I also did try quite hard to make it fun. However, I apparently have a very different idea of fun than some members of the forum. This is, again, completely my fault, and I apologize.

As for my credentials, I have done real-world writing before. I had hoped that this was a chance to write for a group at a higher level. Again, clearly I was mistaken, my fault, apology, etc. If it didn't come through in my writing, that's a major failure on my part. Also, a couple parts (the duple/triple section, for example) I thought would be easier outside of a live ensemble. That was me attempting to take advantage of the virtual format where each person records their part individually.

All this being said, I am more than capable of editing it down to be more realistic myself. I'll have the requested edits done by the end of the week.

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-05 2:00 p.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]Okay, so a few things-

First of all, easiest to answer, Alto 1 and 2 are not the same as Tenor 1 and 2.

Second of all, there were a few things I had in my mind when I was writing this. I evidently planned for too high a skill level. That's completely my fault, and I apologize for that. I also did try quite hard to make it fun. However, I apparently have a very different idea of fun than some members of the forum. This is, again, completely my fault, and I apologize.

As for my credentials, I have done real-world writing before. I had hoped that this was a chance to write for a group at a higher level. Again, clearly I was mistaken, my fault, apology, etc. If it didn't come through in my writing, that's a major failure on my part. Also, a couple parts (the duple/triple section, for example) I thought would be easier outside of a live ensemble. That was me attempting to take advantage of the virtual format where each person records their part individually.

All this being said, I am more than capable of editing it down to be more realistic myself. I'll have the requested edits done by the end of the week.[/quote]

I must say that I found the comments a little harsh, but as we are speaking about a mixed group of people it's certainly good to make it a little easier.

However we should not forget the efforts that go into the arranging. Big thank you for that! No need for apologies on that end!

I personally am happy with the parts I plan to record.

vetsurginc · by **vetsurginc** » 2020-11-05 2:40 p.m.

Many many thanks to mahlertwo for all the work being done. Challenging at 192? You bet. But a really good work out. I need the work on my bottom bottom Eb's :lol: Still transitioning from a dependent Holton to an independent Rath, so brain farts still occuring!

doug

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 2:55 p.m.

Hyperbolica seems to have removed himself from the signup sheet, so we need a tenor 2 again.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-05 3:41 p.m.

I was not criticizing the arrangement, only suggesting that the tempo might be a bit ambitious. But yes, there are players of many varying skill levels on here, from top pros to amateur schmucks such as myself to fairly inexperienced players. The goal for a project like this should be to do something that a large number of people can participate in. And easier music played well sounds better than harder music played poorly.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-05 4:51 p.m.

I'll weigh in. First, I want to record this version. It's challenging, and I would love to have a piece that I've recorded where I gliss from F5 to Bb5, an octave above what is written in the alto part's last measure. That would be hilarious. That said:

I know of no group that would risk playing this arrangement live, or at least without a click track. It will be extremely challenging to sound like we are all playing together. Also, recording this might take 3 hours of my time to get the recording right -- I can't afford to lose a weekend day and then have to rerecord a different version because too many people bailed.

The comments about expecting a high level of playing will make people who want to participate feel put out. An easy arrangement played well IS superior to a difficult one played poorly. Hyperbolica could have just said "I think this is too difficult for the group"

Who here can realistically play this piece, as arranged, in a mechanical tempo, so that it can actually be edited together? I think I can, but I would rather have lots of people in the forum involved

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 5:11 p.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]I'll weigh in. First, I want to record this version. It's challenging, and I would love to have a piece that I've recorded where I gliss from F5 to Bb5, an octave above what is written in the alto part's last measure. That would be hilarious. That said:

I know of no group that would risk playing this arrangement live, or at least without a click track. It will be extremely challenging to sound like we are all playing together. Also, recording this might take 3 hours of my time to get the recording right -- I can't afford to lose a weekend day and then have to rerecord a different version because too many people bailed.

The comments about expecting a high level of playing will make people who want to participate feel put out. An easy arrangement played well IS superior to a difficult one played poorly. Hyperbolica could have just said "I think this is too difficult for the group"

Who here can realistically play this piece, as arranged, in a mechanical tempo, so that it can actually be edited together? I think I can, but I would rather have lots of people in the forum involved[/quote]

I do apologize if I offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. And I'd love for as many people to participate as possible. I made the piece too hard. That was a mistake. I'm working on toning it down a bit now. Also, Harrison, originally I was going to put an optional 8va on that last gliss, but decided against it. Glad to know my first instinct there was right!

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-05 5:26 p.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]

I do apologize if I offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. And I'd love for as many people to participate as possible. I made the piece too hard. That was a mistake. I'm working on toning it down a bit now. Also, Harrison, originally I was going to put an optional 8va on that last gliss, but decided against it. Glad to know my first instinct there was right![/quote]

Yeah. Don't take me the wrong way. Thank you so much for doing this work -- I want to record this version (and play that Bb5!). I just also want to be playing along side people I read stuff from on the forum all the time and for everyone to be having fun.

Maybe others will weigh in with their honesty.

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-05 5:34 p.m.

Best would probably be a version that has parts where everyone finds something to feel comfortable. But at the same time this is probably demanding even more from the arranger ;-) But maybe it's feasibly by doing some optional alternatives and simplifications, plus an overall slightly slower tempo?

As said I personally am confident to play as written, although it is definitely a challenge.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 5:48 p.m.

Don't worry about asking too much from me- No one's making me do this, I freely chose to. Also, testing out parts of it myself, slowing it down to 171 makes the handoffs significantly easier. There's half the battle down. I'm just reducing some range things, then it should be fine (I hope! As we've learned, I'm not the greatest judge of that). Harrison, Markus, I'm keeping your parts more or less the same.

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2020-11-05 5:53 p.m.

If you have the time/interest to turn this into a learning experience, compare Elkjer's quartets to Christopher Bill's quartets. Bill's stuff is mainly unplayable due to cheap effects (anybody can write unplayably high notes or write annotated syncopation that performers would normally add - or not add - on their own). Elkjer's stuff seems much easier on paper, but it's far more musically sophisticated. Elkjer still offers big challenges for your average college trombone quartet. My quartet has tunes from both arrangers in our book, but we actually play the Elkjer. We play very little C. Bill. We have 3 retired/former pros in the group, so we can play.

Did you ever see that episode of Star Trek Voyager where the doctor goes to sing a recital, but they replace him with a program that can sing anything they can write?

<YOUTUBE id="7dVyYCIRCNI">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dVyYCIRCNI</YOUTUBE>

compare that with

<YOUTUBE id="aHxqPg2CsJI">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHxqPg2CsJI</YOUTUBE>

Beauty is beauty regardless of simplicity. Higher-faster-louder is not more beautiful.

I do like your arrangement, mixing in the other Christmas tunes was clever, and I love this particular melody. I was specific about what I would change because I think it can be adjusted, plus I really hate it when people just give general criticism without making the effort to explain themselves. I do a little arranging myself, so I know how easy it is to fall into different types of traps, especially when the computer is right there, and it can perform anything. Sorry if the criticism comes off as harsh, that wasn't the intent.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 6:03 p.m.

Alright, here's the latest update of the piece: https://musescore.com/user/12682446/scores/6425950

If anyone has specific concerns with or requests for their parts, please let me know as soon as you can. Thank you to everyone who's participating.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 6:05 p.m.

Also, Hyperbolica, I'm a Star Wars fan, not a Trekkie, but I do get the sentiment.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-05 6:33 p.m.

Are the parts available under the same links?

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 6:37 p.m.

Not the new ones. Pulling the parts out takes some time.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-05 7:59 p.m.

[quote="hyperbolica"]I

Did you ever see that episode of Star Trek Voyager where the doctor goes to sing a recital, but they replace him with a program that can sing anything they can write?[/quote]

I like to think of the Andy Griffith episode where Barney is supposed to sing a solo with the town choir, but they put Gomer backstage to sing it while Barney mimes. I have done that to a few folks in my community band on our group videos.

vetsurginc · by **vetsurginc** » 2020-11-05 8:07 p.m.

Very doable, very nice.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 8:18 p.m.

[quote="vetsurginc"]Very doable, very nice.[/quote]

Don't worry, I left your pedal Ebs in!

vetsurginc · by **vetsurginc** » 2020-11-05 8:50 p.m.

Just to make more work for you, would you consider both versions? The first one as written at 192, and those who can (or want to try) go for it too. You cull the submissions for the best fit and shazam shazam, just like an audition! That way harrisonreed gets his F5 to Bb5 at speed like a wild man! And I can try to handle the triplets - and you can cull me when I blow it.

(Loan me a contra and I'll try bass3 and or 4 - oh but you already have Nio Bri)

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 9:11 p.m.

I actually saved my original version before I made any cuts to make it easier. It's very excessive, just a warning.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 9:14 p.m.

Plus, while I'm fine volunteering for more work, that creates more work for Mike.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-05 9:23 p.m.

One version please. I really just want to record once.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-05 9:50 p.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]One version please. I really just want to record once.[/quote]

What he said.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-05 9:51 p.m.

I see we've slowed down a few clicks (q=174).

Thanks for taking out the off-beats. I could probably get them but not in time.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-05 9:59 p.m.

Just FYI, I am on vacation next week, so if y’all want a backing track with the new version, I need to get the midi by Saturday. Otherwise it will be next weekend.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-05 10:25 p.m.

I'll put up the new MIDI tomorrow, give everyone a day to review changes.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-07 12:29 a.m.

Updated MIDI and parts are up.

vetsurginc · by **vetsurginc** » 2020-11-07 6:48 p.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]Updated MIDI and parts are up.[/quote]

I'm only finding the old backing tracks at original tempo. Am I looking in wrong place?

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-07 7:09 p.m.

I don't think they are up yet. Looks like the tempo is good to go though right? Measure=57

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-07 8:10 p.m.

OK ladies and gents - here are the new backup tracks. One with click and one without.

~~[url]~~<LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lKSweoDhnq2xQZpm9x6axIH9l6VohePw?usp=sharing</LINK_TEXT>

You can upload your recordings to that same folder.

I would like to say a big thanks to Joey for taking time to make the changes to this tune. He could have told us all to take a hike - instead he spent what I am sure is tons of his time modifying it to make it a bit more accessible.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-07 8:37 p.m.

No problem at all. By the way, Harrison, you have a bit of a shout-out in the score, not sure if you saw.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-08 1:00 a.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]No problem at all. By the way, Harrison, you have a bit of a shout-out in the score, not sure if you saw.[/quote]

Let's hope I don't biff it! :shock:

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-08 1:27 a.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]<QUOTE author="mahlertwo" post_id="129967" time="1604799460" user_id="5762">
No problem at all. By the way, Harrison, you have a bit of a shout-out in the score, not sure if you saw.[/quote]

Let's hope I don't biff it! :shock:
</QUOTE>

I saw it too. Doesn't show up in the part, though.

Harrison, if you need it maybe try a soprano? :tongue:

MrHCinDE · by **MrHCinDE** » 2020-11-08 8:40 a.m.

Without having trawled through the whole topic I see that Tenor 2 is still free, anyone mind if I sign up for it?

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-08 9:46 a.m.

[quote="MrHCinDE"]Without having trawled through the whole topic I see that Tenor 2 is still free, anyone mind if I sign up for it?[/quote]

Go for it. We can still use up to 2 players per part, so if anyone else out there wants to play, or if you want to do more than one part, have fun. I even tried to get Jim Nova (AKA the overdub king) to play with us, but he said he had too many of his own projects going on.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-08 10:13 a.m.

Also, here is the link to the parts in case you lost it:

<LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/fold ... Qrmu-rf9O2">https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1DEmWRFKtIgSvW1acE21PG-Qrmu-rf9O2</LINK_TEXT>

MrHCinDE · by **MrHCinDE** » 2020-11-08 10:43 a.m.

Great, I‘ve put my name down for tenor 2. If more than two others decide they‘re really keen on tenor 2, I don‘t mind moving/swapping to most parts other than the super-low stuff.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-08 7:55 p.m.

When you guys upload your videos, drop me an email at mikebmiller @ gmail. com and let me know it is up there. Also, tell me where you live and I will put all that in the credits.

Elow · by **Elow** » 2020-11-09 7:38 p.m.

Is there a dead line?

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-10 8:45 a.m.

Let’s try to get the videos in by Thanksgiving.

Neo_Bri · by **Neo_Bri** » 2020-11-10 11:07 a.m.

I'm going to wait for a little bit until everyone definitely agrees on the arrangement and tempo. If you have trepidation about the technical elements of your part, please look at it now and speak about it. If everyone is cool, we're good to go. But it would be a bummer if people recorded their parts only to realize a change was later necessary. Everyone have a look and let's agree. My part is okay - I'm committed to that (I won't change my mind).

MagnumH · by **MagnumH** » 2020-11-10 11:09 a.m.

Happy to run with Tenor 4 as is.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-10 2:05 p.m.

[quote="Neo Bri"]I'm going to wait for a little bit until everyone definitely agrees on the arrangement and tempo. If you have trepidation about the technical elements of your part, please look at it now and speak about it. If everyone is cool, we're good to go. But it would be a bummer if people recorded their parts only to realize a change was later necessary. Everyone have a look and let's agree. My part is okay - I'm committed to that (I won't change my mind).[/quote]

You grabbed the new versions of everything, right? I was going to email them to you later today.

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-10 2:42 p.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]Let’s try to get the videos in by Thanksgiving.[/quote]

I had to google when this is. Google says 26 November.

Doug_Elliott · by **Doug_Elliott** » 2020-11-10 3:06 p.m.

I can cover anything needed in the tenor or alto departments.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-10 3:27 p.m.

[quote="Doug Elliott"]I can cover anything needed in the tenor or alto departments.[/quote]

Doug - just grab any part you want that doesn’t already have two people in it,

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-10 3:35 p.m.

[quote="Doug Elliott"]I can cover anything needed in the tenor or alto departments.[/quote]

Two of my lesson teachers playing the piece I arranged now! I'm very excited!

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-10 6:18 p.m.

I'm going to try to record on friday.

BurckhardtS · by **BurckhardtS** » 2020-11-10 9:42 p.m.

I can jump in too if needed. I can try to record over the weekend.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-10 10:07 p.m.

I forgot to ask, how dry do you want this recording? I was planning on having a normal amount of room sound in there

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-11 8:25 a.m.

I will probably add just a bit of reverb once the whole thing is mixed. So dry is fine. Most of us don’t have concert halls available to record in.

MagnumH · by **MagnumH** » 2020-11-11 4:38 p.m.

Tenor 4 uploaded now! I might have another crack at it next week if I think I can do better, but I'm having some large-ish dental work done tomorrow so I'm not sure when my chops will be back in shape again.

Can't wait to hear the finished product!

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-12 7:55 p.m.

Getting into this recording just now, the click track clicks are early in regards to the midi. By about this much:

<ATTACHMENT filename="DSC_0537.JPG" index="0">~~[attachment=0]~~DSC_0537.JPG</ATTACHMENT>

It's enough so that you can't play along with the midi, which is too late. Would you mind if I resync the click and upload? I can do this before too many people record.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-12 8:53 p.m.

I sent the tracks to mike, in case he wants to swap them in. Totally his choice! Going to record now! :)

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-12 10:25 p.m.

I will upload them tomorrow. I have been working on another pro for my community band tonight.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-13 4:04 a.m.

My part is up! There is some weird crud in the dead space of the audio that must be from the rendering of the video. I might try to re encode the video, but at least I've got something useable up.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-13 8:48 a.m.

I uploaded Harrisons amended click track. His has one beat per bar instead of three. Feel free to use whichever one suits your fancy.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-14 6:58 p.m.

Anyone making any progress?

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-14 8:09 p.m.

Can you suggest an app I can use on a Windoze or Linux laptop to record both video and audio? I can do one but not the other.

hyperbolica · by **hyperbolica** » 2020-11-14 8:17 p.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]My part is up! There is some weird crud in the dead space of the audio that must be from the rendering of the video. I might try to re encode the video, but at least I've got something useable up.[/quote]

Nice recording! Good job.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-14 8:51 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]Can you suggest an app I can use on a Windoze or Linux laptop to record both video and audio? I can do one but not the other.[/quote]

Bruce most people are just using smartphones of some sort these days. Windows has a camera app that you can use to record. I tried it once and didn't like it. You can record audio to the PC easily using something like Audacity and an external mic.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-14 9:11 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]Can you suggest an app I can use on a Windoze or Linux laptop to record both video and audio? I can do one but not the other.[/quote]

Sure, record the audio into your DAW (audacity or whatever) and have OBS running at the same time, recording your webcam. Or just do the audio on your pc and video on a camera or phone. You can sync the audio using the claps.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-14 9:11 p.m.

[quote="hyperbolica"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="130379" time="1605258285" user_id="3642">
My part is up! There is some weird crud in the dead space of the audio that must be from the rendering of the video. I might try to re encode the video, but at least I've got something useable up.[/quote]

Nice recording! Good job.
</QUOTE>

Thanks! That means a lot!

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-14 9:25 p.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]<QUOTE author="BGuttman" post_id="130491" time="1605402549" user_id="53">
Can you suggest an app I can use on a Windoze or Linux laptop to record both video and audio? I can do one but not the other.[/quote]

Bruce most people are just using smartphones of some sort these days. Windows has a camera app that you can use to record. I tried it once and didn't like it. You can record audio to the PC easily using something like Audacity and an external mic.
</QUOTE>

OK. I used Audacity several years ago for a project at Night School (course in digital music) but we didn't need to incorporate video. I learned Audacity and Ableton (Live 8). Haven't had an opportunity to do this since.

I'll give the phone a try.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-14 9:38 p.m.

Just a note to Bruce and anyone else shooting with a phone. I have done a few of these videos lately and I can tell you what works and what doesn't. If you are shooting with a phone and don't have a tripod or other stand, please try to get someone else to hold it for you. Try to get your whole upper body in the shot. Those videos where people just put the phone on the music stand and use the front camera often don't look good and sometimes look like the viewer is staring up your nose. And try not to have too much junk in the background. Also, don't have a bright light in the background as it can get very washed out looking.

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-15 8:35 a.m.

I just recorded and uploaded alto 2. For now only the audio, I will do the video separately and upload asap. Hope that's okay?

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-15 9:35 a.m.

Works for me.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-15 12:46 p.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]Just a note to Bruce and anyone else shooting with a phone. I have done a few of these videos lately and I can tell you what works and what doesn't. If you are shooting with a phone and don't have a tripod or other stand, please try to get someone else to hold it for you. Try to get your whole upper body in the shot. Those videos where people just put the phone on the music stand and use the front camera often don't look good and sometimes look like the viewer is staring up your nose. And try not to have too much junk in the background. Also, don't have a bright light in the background as it can get very washed out looking.[/quote]

You mean I shouldn't put a GoPro camera on the slide? :evil: :tongue:

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-16 9:42 p.m.

I have gotten videos for Alto 1 and Tenor 4 and audio only for Alto 2. I would like to get everything in by Thanksgiving, which is sneaking up on us pretty fast, I put a column in the spreadsheet to indicate which parts have been received.

I worked on mine tonight and I have to say that even at the slower tempo, some of those licks (like the triplet on beat 3) are tough to hit precisely in time. Fortunately I am using Cakewalk and can take multiple shots at it without having to start over.

If you are like me and having a hard time getting through a full take without screwing up, try this. Do a video of your entire part and even if you mess up, don't stop. Then go back and re-record the part you messed up in a separate audio or video. Send them all to me with a note of where the edited part starts and stops and I can mix it all together.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-16 9:57 p.m.

For the 8th or triplets on small beat 3, if you think of them as pick-ups into the next beat or bar they are easier.

If you think of them as an individual beat separated from the following downbeat, the timing will be very difficult.

glenp · by **glenp** » 2020-11-16 10:11 p.m.

I signed up as a double on tenor 2. I’m making good progress, but I’m going to take my time. I’ll record early next week.

Mikebmiller · 2020-11-18 6:53 p.m.

Just a gentle reminder that Thanksgiving is a week from tomorrow. Y'all don't be like my community band and make me harass you to get your videos done. Once you put your mind to it, you can knock it out in a half hour.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-18 7:40 p.m.

The boogey man will get you! :twisted:

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-18 7:57 p.m.

Harrison's video had to travel 12,000 miles and it still got here on time!

MrHCinDE · by **MrHCinDE** » 2020-11-19 1:08 a.m.

Gentle reminder received and noted.

My new microphone arrived yesterday so I‘ve really got no excuse now.

It‘s a Shure MV51 USB/Lightning mic which is just so easy to use. Plug it in to your iPhone, PC or Mac and away you go, you have a large diaphragm condenser directly connected to your device with no need for additional I/O interfaces, preamp or phantom power. First impressions are that it‘s more than enough for my home studio purposes and a noticeable upgrade on the smartphone and camcorder I had tried so far.

The free Shure Motiv App for iPhone/iPad may be useful to others also. It works with Shure USB/Lightning mics and also with the iPhone internal mic. It can capture uncompressed wav and has a nice simple interface including a live meter.

SwissTbone · by **SwissTbone** » 2020-11-19 2:57 a.m.

[quote="MrHCinDE"]Gentle reminder received and noted.

My new microphone arrived yesterday so I‘ve really got no excuse now.

It‘s a Shure MV51 USB/Lightning mic which is just so easy to use. Plug it in to your iPhone, PC or Mac and away you go, you have a large diaphragm condenser directly connected to your device with no need for additional I/O interfaces, preamp or phantom power. First impressions are that it‘s more than enough for my home studio purposes and a noticeable upgrade on the smartphone and camcorder I had tried so far.

The free Shure Motiv App for iPhone/iPad may be useful to others also. It works with Shure USB/Lightning mics and also with the iPhone internal mic. It can capture uncompressed wav and has a nice simple interface including a live meter.[/quote]

Curious to hear that mic in action!

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-20 3:13 p.m.

Noted. Sorry, I know the arranger being late on submission is a bad look, I've just gotten super busy with other stuff. Should have it in Monday or Tuesday.

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-20 3:26 p.m.

I might have to admit defeat on this. I've been practicing trying to get my tripples fast enough, but I'm nowhere near and they don't sound good. Think I might be a year or two of practice away from this standard.

I was trying to do tennor 5. I hope my double can make enough noise to make up for me and really sorry for dropping out.

It's been really good to push myself and I do think I've got better practicing this, but not better enough.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-20 5:00 p.m.

[quote="nogginbone"]I might have to admit defeat on this. I've been practicing trying to get my tripples fast enough, but I'm nowhere near and they don't sound good. Think I might be a year or two of practice away from this standard.

I was trying to do tennor 5. I hope my double can make enough noise to make up for me and really sorry for dropping out.

It's been really good to push myself and I do think I've got better practicing this, but not better enough.[/quote]

Let's turn this into a teaching moment. I'd like to show you a technique called "subdivision".

You know the basic pulse of the piece is one bar at 57 to the minute/

Each quarter note is at 57 x 3 or 171 to the minute.

Now divide each quarter into 3 parts (513 to the minute, or roughly 8.5 per second).

Start by setting a metronome (if you don't have one there are apps for a computer or phone) and set it to 57. As it beeps, try to count 3 to the beep: Beep-2-3-Beep-2-3-Beep-2-3. Get comfortable with this pulse.

Now set the metronome to a 3 subdivision. It should do something like Beep-boop-boop-Beep-boop-boop-... just like you were counting.

Now after each beep or boop, put in 2 and 3: Beep-2-3-Boop-2-3-Boop-2-3-Beep-2-3- These are the triplet figure handoffs.

If you are playing one set, pretend you are playing the other two sets at the same time. For example, if you are playing the middle set: 1-2-3-ta-ta-ta-1-2-3.

You may have problems playing at the tempo at first, but keep working on it. You may be surprised. :good:

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-20 6:20 p.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]You may have problems playing at the tempo at first, but keep working on it. You may be surprised. :good:[/quote]

Thanks for the advise. It's good to have something to work towards, and I think I will get it in the end. Next year I'll wow you all with my skills.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-20 6:29 p.m.

Thanks Noggin. A teacher once told me that there is nothing that you can't play - only something that you can't play right now. I have a lot of those things I can't play right now, so I keep slogging along.

Also, I got the bass 2 part today. So I still need all the other bass parts and tenor 2, 3, 5, and 6. This weekend would be an excellent chance to get those done instead of running around trying to catch COVID.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-20 6:39 p.m.

[quote="nogginbone"]<QUOTE author="BGuttman" post_id="131081" time="1605909607" user_id="53">
You may have problems playing at the tempo at first, but keep working on it. You may be surprised. :good:[/quote]

Thanks for the advise. It's good to have something to work towards, and I think I will get it in the end. Next year I'll wow you all with my skills.
</QUOTE>

Noggin, I can't promise, but maybe I can find time to record audio for trombone 5. In a real trombone section, in a community band say, you often have parts doubled up. So if your video is good and the are just a few sections where your triplets are off, they can fade the "section" audio in. Nothing wrong with working as a team like that.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-20 6:53 p.m.

I can knock out T5 if nobody else does it.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-20 9:51 p.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]<QUOTE author="nogginbone" post_id="131091" time="1605914435" user_id="10374">

Thanks for the advise. It's good to have something to work towards, and I think I will get it in the end. Next year I'll wow you all with my skills.[/quote]

So if your video is good and the are just a few sections where your triplets are off, they can fade the "section" audio in. Nothing wrong with working as a team like that.
</QUOTE>

Harrison is right. It's easy to edit out a few bad spots in the audio. Heck for my community band videos I have had some people who were in the video, but were muted the whole time in the audio. I didn't tell them, though!

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-21 4:18 a.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]It's easy to edit out a few bad spots in the audio. Heck for my community band videos I have had some people who were in the video, but were muted the whole time in the audio. I didn't tell them, though![/quote]

I'll try to record something this weekend. I'm very happy to be muted out. There will be several 'bad spots' so I will definitely need someone backing up my part. Thanks everyone for being so kind and helpful.

euphobone · by **euphobone** » 2020-11-21 9:20 a.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]Ladies, gents, and bass trombone players,

As most of us have nowhere to play these days, I would like to propose that we do a collaborative video with members of this forum. I was thinking of some sort of Christmas bone choir tune. I have actually gotten pretty good at audio and video editing during this time and I am willing to put it all together. What we need is a nice trombone choir arrangement of some sort of Christmas tune and any number of players who want to be part of the project. I would need to cap it at about 20-30 as my computer really starts slowing down when I get more tracks than that.

So, does anyone have suggestions for some music? Something with 8-12 parts would be nice. And I would need either a midi backing track or a recording of a previous performance for people to listen to while doing their video.

So if you are interested in participating, post up and let's get something going.[/quote]

Count me in!

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-21 10:07 a.m.

Raul:

Search back in this thread for a signup spreadsheet and the parts. If you want to use your Duo Gravis, check out Bass 1 or Bass 2 (the higher bass parts). Mike can take two players to a part, and most parts seem to have only one player (and many of us -- including me -- have yet to submit).

Should be fun.

bwanamfupi · by **bwanamfupi** » 2020-11-21 3:05 p.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]I can knock out T5 if nobody else does it.[/quote]

I'm signed up to double on T5. I'm giving it a go, but the triplets at the quick tempo are a challenge. No complaints if I'm recorded over either!

bwanamfupi · by **bwanamfupi** » 2020-11-21 3:24 p.m.

[quote="nogginbone"][/quote]

I'll try to record something this weekend. I'm very happy to be muted out. There will be several 'bad spots' so I will definitely need someone backing up my part. Thanks everyone for being so kind and helpful.

[/quote]

Noggin, are you using alternate slide positions for the triplets? The Bflat - F - Dflat can be 5-4-5, and the F-C-A can be 4-3-3. That helped me get my tempo up a little (plus Harrison's suggestion about thinking of it as a pickup). Not sure I'll pull it off successfully, but it's a shot.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-21 3:43 p.m.

[quote="bwanamfupi"]<QUOTE author="nogginbone" post_id="131134" time="1605950291" user_id="10374">

I'll try to record something this weekend. I'm very happy to be muted out. There will be several 'bad spots' so I will definitely need someone backing up my part. Thanks everyone for being so kind and helpful.[/quote]

Noggin, are you using alternate slide positions for the triplets? The Bflat - F - Dflat can be 5-4-5, and the F-C-A can be 4-3-3. That helped me get my tempo up a little (plus Harrison's suggestion about thinking of it as a pickup). Not sure I'll pull it off successfully, but it's a shot.
</QUOTE>

Bb-F-Db is short 5 / 6 /5

Lower F-C-Ab can be 6-6-3 or 6-6-T5 (just a little in from 6).

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-21 6:18 p.m.

You could also play F-C-Ab T1-T1-3 with a little adjustment. That's what I've been doing.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-21 7:59 p.m.

Hey y'all. For purposes of this project, I will define "Thanksgiving" as going through next weekend.

Thanks!

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-22 8:25 a.m.

I have done and uploaded my video. The audio only recording I already uploaded is certainly better from that perspective ;-)

Thanks!

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-22 11:48 a.m.

Got it thanks. You forgot to wear your ugly Christmas sweater. Also, Harrison gets the prize for best dance moves during the rests.

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-22 4:13 p.m.

I made them as bad as possible out of spite of ANY rests in my part! Let alone 50 bars or whatever. :twisted:

MStarke · by **MStarke** » 2020-11-22 4:25 p.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]Got it thanks. You forgot to wear your ugly Christmas sweater. Also, Harrison gets the prize for best dance moves during the rests.[/quote]

Sorry :idk: Ugly Christmas sweater is not that popular in Germany! And yes, my performance certainly was not too entertaining visually - but I tried to have a very tromboney background :good:

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-22 4:40 p.m.

Yeah, I guess ugly sweaters are an American thing. We have the classiest Christmas traditions. Ugly sweaters and Grandma Got Run Over By. A Reindeer.

nogginbone · by **nogginbone** » 2020-11-22 5:43 p.m.

I've spent the evening recording and I recorded the first half with the tripples knocked out. It's not great and I don't have a christmas jumper, so I put up some lights.

Thanks for the tips on alternate positions. With more time and practice think I could get it.

Recording yourself is a real eye opener. I need to work on the smoothness of my long notes too. Feel free to knock my volume right down.

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-23 6:00 a.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]I made them as bad as possible out of spite of ANY rests in my part! Let alone 50 bars or whatever. :twisted:[/quote]

Should I just hire some people and set up a Complaints Department?

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-23 7:07 a.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="131265" time="1606079596" user_id="3642">
I made them as bad as possible out of spite of ANY rests in my part! Let alone 50 bars or whatever. :twisted:[/quote]

Should I just hire some people and set up a Complaints Department?
</QUOTE>

Higher, faster, louder, less rest!!

Loool!! I was totally joking

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-23 7:36 a.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]<QUOTE author="mahlertwo" post_id="131334" time="1606129243" user_id="5762">

Should I just hire some people and set up a Complaints Department?[/quote]

Higher, faster, louder, less rest!!

Loool!! I was totally joking
</QUOTE>

As was I, haha. Also, when I take "Higher, faster, louder, less rest!!" to the extent I'm naturally inclined to in my writing, people tend to threaten me with violence, so...

harrisonreed · 2020-11-23 7:48 a.m.

[quote="mahlertwo"]<QUOTE author="harrisonreed" post_id="131337" time="1606133241" user_id="3642">

Higher, faster, louder, less rest!!

Loool!! I was totally joking[/quote]

As was I, haha. Also, when I take "Higher, faster, louder, less rest!!" to the extent I'm naturally inclined to in my writing, people tend to threaten me with violence, so...
</QUOTE>

There's no way I'd be comfortable playing that part live, as ossia'ed (mostly the high Bb, but you can hear a bit of a chip double tonguing the Fs too :eek: ). But it was a joy to record. Thanks again for the arrangement, no matter what comes from this collaboration. I hope we get it though!

(Lol, all the edits, holy autocowreckt)

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-23 7:50 a.m.

That 50 bar rest made me homesick for my orchestral parts ;)

harrisonreed · by **harrisonreed** » 2020-11-23 7:54 a.m.

[quote="BGuttman"]That 50 bar rest made me homesick for my orchestral parts ;)[/quote]

I wonder how long the director would let you go with interpretive dancing during long rests in an orchestra?

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-23 9:14 a.m.

Here is Harrison's big dance!

~~[url]~~https://youtu.be/I3RG6ueGceM

Check out my other videos while you are on my "Channel." The Mag 7, Incredibles, and Don't Stop Me Now are all recent quarantine projects with members of my community band.

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-23 11:45 a.m.

[quote="harrisonreed"]<QUOTE author="BGuttman" post_id="131342" time="1606135811" user_id="53">
That 50 bar rest made me homesick for my orchestral parts ;)[/quote]

I wonder how long the director would let you go with interpretive dancing during long rests in an orchestra?
</QUOTE>

Good way to get fired! :lol:

Neo_Bri · by **Neo_Bri** » 2020-11-23 12:28 p.m.

I think updating the original post with instructions would be really good. Short and concise. For example, I've recorded my part (bass 4) but wading through 4 pages of replies to try to figure out what the next step (uploading, etc...) is is difficult.

Neo_Bri · by **Neo_Bri** » 2020-11-23 2:11 p.m.

Here's my video (with my audio, but no click or MIDI):

<LINK_TEXT text="https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhV82aTgKho-h-gbN2z ... Q?e=sv8S1t">https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhV82aTgKho-h-gbN2z02T0f1QubaQ?e=sv8S1t</LINK_TEXT>

This is bass 4.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-23 2:18 p.m.

Thanks Neo. This is the google drive upload folder. Bruce - maybe you can make a sticky with this link in it so we don't have to keep re-posting.

<LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lKSweoDhnq2xQZpm9x6axIH9l6VohePw?usp=sharing</LINK_TEXT>

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-11-23 2:55 p.m.

Best I can do is edit your original post with this address.

OK. Post your videos to the address I added to the first post of the Thread.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-23 8:06 p.m.

So just to update, I have Alto 1 and 2. Tenor 1, 4, and half of 5, and bass 2 and 4. FWIW, you guys sound great. This is going be be an excellent recording when we are finished.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-24 10:42 p.m.

Here is a screen shot of what I have so far:

~~[url]~~https://photos.app.goo.gl/MoydKPJjDxFEEo2z5

That's me in the red shirt on the bottom. I bought a green screen background from Amazon so I can have more interesting backgrounds than just the closet door of my office/practice room.

glenp · by **glenp** » 2020-11-24 11:54 p.m.

Mike: Thanks for the extension through the end of the week. I will record and upload tenor 2 on Friday. I’ve got it all pretty smoothed out but I’m still working on a breathing issue between 105 and 113.

Everyone sounds great. Can’t wait to see the final product!

mahlertwo · by **mahlertwo** » 2020-11-25 9:12 a.m.

[quote="glenp"]Mike: Thanks for the extension through the end of the week. I will record and upload tenor 2 on Friday. I’ve got it all pretty smoothed out but I’m still working on a breathing issue between 105 and 113.

Everyone sounds great. Can’t wait to see the final product![/quote]

If you need to drop a note or cut it off early to get a breath, that's fine. Everything's doubled in that section.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-25 10:02 a.m.

Note to MStarke - you said you might do bass 2. I got Neo to send me an audio of that part, so I have that one doubled. But I still don't have bass 1 or 3, so if you want to do one of those, feel free.

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-11-25 10:11 a.m.

Here is a draft of the audio mix so far. Very rough - I haven't messed with levels or reverb yet.

<GOOGLEDRIVE id="1axT5nY8D5zq_GZbz17r2HdHbwonwJ0A7"><LINK_TEXT text="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1axT5nY ... sp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1axT5nY8D5zq_GZbz17r2HdHbwonwJ0A7/view?usp=sharing</LINK_TEXT></GOOGLEDRIVE>

MrHCinDE · by **MrHCinDE** » 2020-11-28 2:43 a.m.

Tenor 2 audio uploaded, video will be today or tomorrow

(feel free to edit and mute me, I slightly fluffed a couple of bits - it's a team effort right!)

harrisonreed · 2020-11-28 2:59 a.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]Here is a draft of the audio mix so far. Very rough - I haven't messed with levels or reverb yet.

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I wonder if the audio might need to be nudged to get everyone to line up. The last gliss might be the spot to look at. The triplet sections especially are not lining up.

I think we all knew it would be a challenge to get the audio lined up with everyone.

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