9 foot 3-4 valve brass

skeletal · by **skeletal** » 2020-12-04 10:40 a.m.

Bass trumpet/valve trombone/marching trombone/baritone/marching baritone/flugabone/trombonium/euphonium/marching trombone.

Which one's did I miss?

BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-12-04 1:16 p.m.

Among the Saxhons there are tenor, baritone, and bass. All the same length, different bore sizes. Nobody plays saxhorns any more, though (except in Civil War Reconstruction bands).

At one time there were American tenor horns, baritone horns, and bass horns patterned after the saxhorns. All looking like a later American baritone horn. Also pretty obsolete.

Burgerbob · by **Burgerbob** » 2020-12-04 3:13 p.m.

There are marching euphoniums, and even bariphoniums if you want to split hairs enough.

marccromme · by **marccromme** » 2020-12-04 4:39 p.m.

German Tenorhorn and German baritone. And of course frensh horn in Bb, and tenor Wagner tuba in Bb.

elmsandr · by **elmsandr** » 2020-12-04 4:40 p.m.

Wagner Tubas?

Finetales · 2020-12-04 4:42 p.m.

The Bb side of all double and triple horns, marching Bb horn, Kaiser baritone, bass flugelhorn, bass cornet (very rare), ballad horn, and technically there are multiple distinct species of bass trumpet.

[quote="BGuttman"]Nobody plays saxhorns any more, though (except in Civil War Reconstruction bands).[/quote]

Not quite true, bass saxhorn is still manufactured by Courtois, Willson, and probably PGM Couesnon, and there are people ~~[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aietqQGYrw]~~who play it very well.

LeTromboniste · by **LeTromboniste** » 2020-12-04 6:24 p.m.

Valved ophicleide

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-12-04 6:36 p.m.

tenor tuba

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tenor helicon

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superbone

yeah saxhorn - still a thing in france.

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jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-12-04 6:54 p.m.

Fun times

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Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2020-12-04 7:30 p.m.

[quote="jacobgarchik"]tenor helicon

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Good one, tenor sousaphone as well.

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-12-04 10:45 p.m.

Tenor normaphone and tenor jazzophone

https://brasspedia.com/index.php?title=Normaphone

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-12-04 10:50 p.m.

bonanza of forgotten configurations here, in tenor and baritone varieties too:

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Doug_Elliott · by **Doug_Elliott** » 2020-12-05 4:21 a.m.

In the late 1970's I heard a jazz player play a gig on Normaphone in DC, I think it was at the One Step Down. Maybe it was Scott Robinson.... ?

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-12-05 10:58 a.m.

Baritone saxtuba

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxtuba

marccromme · by **marccromme** » 2020-12-05 12:14 p.m.

[quote="elmsandr"]Wagner Tubas?[/quote]

Yes, usually played by frensh horn players in Nibelungen , Walkyrie or similar late romantic operas, often Wagner, Mahler, Berlioz. the most famous ones are from Alexander, Mainz, Germany.

~~[url]~~https://gebr-alexander.de/en/wagner-tubas/

LeTromboniste · by **LeTromboniste** » 2020-12-05 12:49 p.m.

[quote="marccromme"]<QUOTE author="elmsandr" post_id="132612" time="1607118045" user_id="147">Wagner Tubas?[/quote]

Yes, usually played by frensh horn players in Nibelungen , Walkyrie or similar late romantic operas, often Wagner, Mahler, Berlioz. the most famous ones are from Alexander, Mainz, Germany.

~~[url]~~https://gebr-alexander.de/en/wagner-tubas/
</QUOTE>

No Wagner tubas in Mahler or Berlioz that I know of (although both did write for other Bb valved instruments).

Strauss, Bruckner and Stravinsky, yes.

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-12-05 1:55 p.m.

whatever you call this

http://www.brassark.com/museum/closecornu.html

sungfw · by **sungfw** » 2020-12-06 3:44 p.m.

marccromme · by **marccromme** » 2020-12-08 5:13 p.m.

[quote="LeTromboniste"]<QUOTE author="marccromme" post_id="132725" time="1607188460" user_id="260">

Yes, usually played by frensh horn players in Nibelungen , Walkyrie or similar late romantic operas, often Wagner, Mahler, Berlioz. the most famous ones are from Alexander, Mainz, Germany.

~~[url]~~https://gebr-alexander.de/en/wagner-tubas/[/quote]

No Wagner tubas in Mahler or Berlioz that I know of (although both did write for other Bb valved instruments).

Strauss, Bruckner and Stravinsky, yes.
</QUOTE>

Yes, you are right, I was thinking of Mahlers 7th, but it's tenor horn there.

But we forgot Schoenberg and Bartok

Mikebmiller · by **Mikebmiller** » 2020-12-08 6:35 p.m.

What is the difference between a saxhorn and a euphonium? Bore size?

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2020-12-08 7:05 p.m.

more of a different wrap than a different instrument, but here's a variation on the bass trumpet.

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BGuttman · by **BGuttman** » 2020-12-08 7:52 p.m.

[quote="Mikebmiller"]What is the difference between a saxhorn and a euphonium? Bore size?[/quote]

The saxhorn I'm most familiar with is the over the shoulder type. Very rare nowadays (again, except in Civil War Re-enactment bands).

The Saxhorn is more conical than a Baritone (English) instrument but less conical than a Euphonium.

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2021-04-17 12:38 p.m.

baritone Sudraphone

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brassmedic · by **brassmedic** » 2021-04-17 3:07 p.m.

[quote="jacobgarchik"]whatever you call this

http://www.brassark.com/museum/closecornu.html[/quote]

That's the Cornu I built for Noah. It was a military instrument in ancient Rome. The valves are a modern addition, obviously. These are some originals they found in Pompeii.

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Posaunus · by **Posaunus** » 2021-04-17 6:41 p.m.

[quote="LeTromboniste"]<QUOTE author="marccromme" post_id="132725" time="1607188460" user_id="260">
Wagner tubas?

Yes, usually played by french horn players in Nibelungen, Walkyrie or similar late romantic operas, often Wagner, Mahler, Berlioz. The most famous ones are from Alexander, Mainz, Germany.

~~[url]~~https://gebr-alexander.de/en/wagner-tubas/[/quote]

No Wagner tubas in Mahler or Berlioz that I know of (although both did write for other Bb valved instruments).

Strauss, Bruckner and Stravinsky, yes.
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Bruckner Symphony #7:

The symphony requires the following orchestra:

• woodwinds: 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets in A, 2 bassoons

• brass: 4 horns in F, 3 trumpets in F, 3 trombones, ~~[color=#BF0000]~~4 Wagner tubas (2 B♭ tenors, 2 F basses)*, contrabass tuba

• percussion: timpani, cymbals, triangle

• strings: violins 1, 2, violas, violoncellos, double basses

~~[color=#BF0000]~~* Used in the 2nd and 4th movements only.

LeTromboniste · by **LeTromboniste** » 2021-04-17 6:54 p.m.

[quote="Posaunus"]<QUOTE author="LeTromboniste" post_id="132733" time="1607190549" user_id="3038">

No Wagner tubas in Mahler or Berlioz that I know of (although both did write for other Bb valved instruments).

Strauss, Bruckner and Stravinsky, yes.[/quote]

Bruckner Symphony #7:

The symphony requires the following orchestra:

• woodwinds: 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets in A, 2 bassoons

• brass: 4 horns in F, 3 trumpets in F, 3 trombones, ~~[color=#BF0000]~~4 Wagner tubas (2 B♭ tenors, 2 F basses)*, contrabass tuba

• percussion: timpani, cymbals, triangle

• strings: violins 1, 2, violas, violoncellos, double basses

~~[color=#BF0000]~~* Used in the 2nd and 4th movements only.
</QUOTE>

Yes, definitely used in Bruckner

jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2022-03-22 6:59 p.m.

You learn something new every day!

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Kbiggs · by **Kbiggs** » 2022-03-24 12:07 p.m.

[quote="Burgerbob"]There are marching euphoniums, and even bariphoniums if you want to split hairs enough.[/quote]

“Bariphonium” sounds like a medical procedure.

Ozzlefinch · by **Ozzlefinch** » 2022-04-07 8:50 a.m.

Not sure where my 4 valvers fit in. One thing I do know for certain is that I really need to figure out how to take a decent photo of them. I currently have 2, one is in the shop getting it's 100 year tune-up.

JohnL · by **JohnL** » 2022-04-07 1:25 p.m.

[quote="Ozzlefinch"]ne thing I do know for certain is that I really need to figure out how to take a decent photo of them.[/quote]
A couple suggestions:

1) Use nature's softbox; shoot outdoors on a cloudy day (basically, you want it just cloudy enough that you cast little to no shadow.

2) Set up someplace where you have enough room to take a few steps back rather than having to use a wide-angle lens (or a wide-angle setting on a zoom camera).

3) Shoot square on rather than at an angle.

Almost everything on my site was shot in my back yard on cloudy days using old sheets as backdrops. The horn is on a stand (sometimes I put the stand on a table so I don't have to get down so low) and I try to keep the camera level.

MrHCinDE · by **MrHCinDE** » 2022-04-07 2:43 p.m.

Tenor fanfare trumpet

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jacobgarchik · by **jacobgarchik** » 2024-03-13 3:19 p.m.

from a facebook weird instrument group

valved alphorn

*literally* 9 foot
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marccromme · by **marccromme** » 2024-03-13 6:04 p.m.

[quote="jacobgarchik"]from a facebook weird instrument group

valved alphorn

*literally* 9 foot[/quote]

Cool. First time ever I have seen a brass and valved alphorn. I did only encountour Wooden ones

u_2bobone · 2024-03-13 6:40 p.m.

I don't know the first thing about "Alp Horns" with valves [Is that a Valph-Horn ?] but I definitely remember being in the Wallowa mountains, the "Alps" of Oregon {C= 1985 ?], where I discovered an Alphorn hanging over the counter inside a convenience store. The owner was delighted when I told him that I could play it and the resulting photograph is my proof ! I'm sure that my resounding efforts disturbed a whole lotta fauna and flora ! That sucker could REALLY project [although my son at ground ZERO didn't seem too upset !] !

u_2bobone · by **u_2bobone** » 2024-03-13 9:40 p.m.

"Bass Flügelhorn (the one in the picture below is on the way to me, should be here in the next couple of days <EMOJI seq="1f600" tseq="1f600">😀</EMOJI>)"

Hmmmm ! It looks almost identical to the Mirafone "Tenor Horn" I bought from Roger Bobo back in the mid-60's ! I believe that Leonhard Paul of the Mnozil Brass plays the same instrument on many occasions.

Finetales · by **Finetales** » 2024-03-14 4:45 p.m.

I can't remember who, but there is a brass maker who sells valve sections that you can plug into existing wooden alphorns.

[quote="2bobone"]"Bass Flügelhorn (the one in the picture below is on the way to me, should be here in the next couple of days <EMOJI seq="1f600" tseq="1f600">😀</EMOJI>)"

Hmmmm ! It looks almost identical to the Mirafone "Tenor Horn" I bought from Roger Bobo back in the mid-60's ! I believe that Leonhard Paul of the Mnozil Brass plays the same instrument on many occasions.[/quote]

Leonhard played a beer hall bass trumpet like that a long time ago, but he's been playing on Schagerl horns along with the rest of Mnozil for many years. First he had a custom made top-action rotary bass flugelhorn, and now he plays a standard Schagerl Wunderhorn.

jonathanharker · by **jonathanharker** » 2024-03-22 12:13 a.m.

V.F. Červený invented (1867 patent) a line of instruments from at least E♭ alto to B♭ contrabass, called the ~~[url=https://doi.org/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.article.50554]~~armeeposaune which were cylindrical bore saxhorn-shaped instruments, with the upward bell pointed forwards. I'm pretty sure the contrabass in 18' B♭ (pictured) would make a great cimbasso for Verdi and Puccini.

~~[size=85]~~Image CC-BY, University of Edinburgh, via ~~[url=https://www.europeana.eu/de/item/09102/_UEDIN_3868]~~Europeana.

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