New Benge 175F How much is appropriate?

[Tubaaiyue]

I found new benge 175F,，yes is new 175F！！！I didn't expect to be able to buy a new 175F nowadays.

[Burgerbob]

Yes.

[JohnL]

Proceed with caution. There's a reason it's never been used. It could be that it just got pushed into a corner and forgotten . OTOH, it may have had some issue that caused people not to buy it, or to buy it and never play it.

[Posaunus]

Caveat emptor

[chromebone]

What are the circumstances of this situation? Is it an instrument that was in the back of a music store for 30 years? The estate of someone who never got around to playing it?
Assuming you are able to verify its condition, that is a good price.

[Oslide]

In 2019, by chance I dug up a straight Benge 175 online at a music shop in Hongkong. It was described as NOS (New Old Stock). I got it for HK$6,000 (reduced from HK$13,000), plus a very substantial fee for handling and transportation.

When it arrived it really looked like new and sounded great, but immediately it showed that the distance between bell rim and slide (ca. 0.7 inch) was uncomfortably close. Moreover there was a clear slide problem between 2nd and 3rd position.

To have these flaws corrected turned out to be more difficult and expensive than I expected. Today, however, I can say this really is a great horn well worth the efforts taken!

I'm pretty sure these flaws were the reason the horn was still around after a long time (serial number 159nnn points to 1986?). As others have cautioned before, you could be in for surprises.

Good luck!

[Tubaaiyue]

What are the circumstances of this situation? Is it an instrument that was in the back of a music store for 30 years? The estate of someone who never got around to playing it?
Assuming you are able to verify its condition, that is a good price.

Yes, it's in the music store, benge 175F

[Tubaaiyue]

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[Tubaaiyue]

This is a trombone produced in the 1990s. Was the quality of King factory's products stable during this period

[Posaunus]

Do you know the serial number?

[Tubaaiyue]

Do you know the serial number?

I'm not sure at the moment. I'll go and ask about it this afternoon. The store previously told me that this is a trombone produced in the 1990s

[LeTromboniste]

Do you know the serial number?

I'm not sure at the moment. I'll go and ask about it this afternoon. The store previously told me that this is a trombone produced in the 1990s

Is that the one in Milan? I very strongly considered buying it in December.

[harrisonreed]

This is a trombone produced in the 1990s. Was the quality of King factory's products stable during this period

King = generally good to really good, at all times
Benge = generally really good, at all times

[Posaunus]

Benge trombone production in the 1980s - ~2005 (in the King factory in Eastlake, Ohio) was generally very good.
No factory problems that I know of during that time period.
I've played a few Benge trombones (but not a 175F). - they were all fine instruments.

[Posaunus]

Benge trombone production in the mid-1980s to ~2005 (in the King factory in Eastlake, Ohio) was generally very good.
No factory problems that I know of during that time period.
I've played a few Benge trombones (but not a 175F) - they were all fine instruments.

[Tubaaiyue]

Ok！thank you all for your messages. I have seen all of them, Thank you everybody

[Tubaaiyue]

Is the Benge 6 1/2 mouthpiece a copy of the Bach 6 1/2? This new trombone comes with a complimentary Benge mouthpiece

[Posaunus]

Is the Benge 6 1/2 mouthpiece a copy of the Bach 6 1/2? This new trombone comes with a complimentary Benge mouthpiece

The Benge mouthpiece is probably their (King's) attempt to copy a Bach mouthpiece.
But which one? Bach lists three 6½ mouthpieces: 6½A, 6½AM, and 6½AL. They are all different.
[Not to mention the rather wide variation in "authentic" Bach mouthpieces.]

I would guess a 6½AM or 6½AL size would work best with a Benge 175F trombone.

Try the mouthpiece that's shipped with your "new" trombone. If you don't like it, there are countless alternatives.  

[JohnL]

I suspect it's a Benge 6 1/2 AL-S. I seem to recall hearing that they were basically a Benge rendition of a Bach 6½AL.

There was also a Benge 6 1/2 AL-L, which I think was Benge's version of a Bach large-shank 6½A (i.e., it had a standard large shank throat and backbore rather than have the same throat and backbore as its small-shank stablemate).